Villain was a reg, 21/18 over 89 hands. He had 12ish% 3bet.

This spot kind of bothers me because not only have i missed with AK, but also my 4bet bluffs. I don't know what he is calling 4bets with(i probably will never find out either), but he can basicly bluff me off a lot of stuff on the turn.

Problem is, if i call AK, it will be just a 1 hand range which is bad when theres more than 1 street to play(i won't be able to balance), unless i call sometimes and fold other times which seems kind of wierd to me.

And yer, my 4bet could have been a tad larger i suppose...

$0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Hero (BTN): $105.90 (105.9 bb)
SB: $100 (100 bb)
BB: $100 (100 bb)
UTG: $138.10 (138.1 bb)
MP: $100.80 (100.8 bb)
CO: $158.84 (158.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K A
3 folds, Hero raises to $3, SB folds, BB raises to $10, Hero raises to $22, BB calls $12

Flop: ($44.50) 4 2 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($44.50) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $22, Hero

cb 24 because i doubt you are checking this flop with a value hand

Annoying spot but you have to fold.

If he really is flatting a lot of 4bets that's not a bad thing, especially when you hit

4bet size is fine if your going to be 4bet bluffing as well, def got to be cbettin this flop, bet 16-17 with yr whole range, you turn yr hand face up by checking.

What do you think villain's range is in this spot? Sometimes it's ok to turn your hand faceup in spots where you have the worst hand and no fold equity. I'm not sure what a range for calling 4bets oop is, but it can very easily but JJ,QQ,KK,AA or something similar imo, in which case betting ak is kinda pointless.

Pretty sure a reg with 12% 3bet is gonna 5bet JJ+, his whole gameplan depends on us gettin pissed off and 4bettin light? Id rather fold out his equity/bluffing us with a worse hand by betting, people play play str8 forward enough in 4bet pots that we can cbet and give up if he calls.

12% 3bet != loose 5bet. I don't think 5bet JJ is very likely. The way you played it I think it's okay. No pp will fold to a cbet on that board so unless you plan on triple-barreling ck behind is fine. Fold flop because you're almost certainly beat with poor river equity and bluff value does not appear to be very high.

If you are 3betting %12, JJ = auto stack off.

cbet flop imo
callingl 4bet oop in blinds could be more fishy than 13% 3bet
a lot of hands like KJs KQ KQs AQ AQs could be in his range

28 flop, ship turn. He almost has to have a medium pocket pair here. He's going to be in such a tough spot if you continue aggression and rep a big pair.

Btw the reason I think he's got a medium pair a lot here (77-JJ) is because I think he's likely 3betting a pretty wide value range bb vs btn, and I think he's folding or 5betting all his AX hands pre oop. He had correct odds to call your 4b with a pocket pair to try to hit a set. He likely has a weak over pair now or he could have been trying to resteal with a weak pair that flopped it's set. If you think he's capable of folding 99-TT it's a pretty easy flop to cbet imo. If you think he's going to station you then your line is fine and fold turn.

I also don't understand how everybody is talking about this 12% 3b as an extremely useful stat. He's 3b like 2 times in 89 hands. Sometimes I'll have a 30% 3b in 89 hands and only 6% overall. All we can really determine is that he is probably 3betting more than just premium hands. He's just trying to resteal and we gave him odds to call a 4b with whatever he's holding. His range almost has to be Ax (with no AK) and 77-JJ. He's probably not trying to play a 4b pot oop with QQ or AK so he's using his AA/KK combos to protect his shoving range. There's always the possibility we're playing against some random flat from AA/KK, but I don't think he's flatting 4bets with very many premium hands oop. He's going to be in such a horrible spot if we rep a monster here.

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I'd fold ott. I feel like most ppl would try to check down AQ or AJ. 88-TT is quite likely. Also you have to play a guessing game otr.
you are way too optimistic if you want to fold out overpairs in a 4-bet pot in small stakes. People play bad.

So if you we're villain, you would never fold to this small 4-bet?

if you are Cbetting your whole range, you definitely have a huge leak (assuming you 4-bet bluff occasionally). You have to give some credit to villain. He has a strong range calling a 4-bet oop. I'd much rather Cbet complete airballs and check back AK.

So Reemix yr saying you Cbet yr air, and obv you Cbet yr value hands so yr check back range in 4bet pot is AK only? What else will you check back here? By checkin back yr playing a guessing game when he leads the turn. Hes not gonna float us with air so when he calls we give him credit for a pair+ and shutdown, certainly not advocating trying to push him off any pair because as you said people play bad and wont fold.

too big

13 gets the job done

I'm checking back a lot more than AK. Probably giving up with air sometimes. Also checking back 4x, 2x and 6x hands every time.

Thnx for all the replys.

Cbetting $13 sounds good, i don't think villain could exploit me by check-shoving air. Perhaps he could try floating OOP.
He may decide to c/c AQ for that price also..

Would you bluff any turns or just give up? Id be tempted to bluff a K or Q turn if i had ATo(though i don't rly 4bet AQ here, i think i should start doing it vs this guy though).
Incidentally, what would you do on an A turn, if u had JJ-KK if u only 4bet bluffed with Ax hands?

bet folding seems bad to me here... you played it fine as is IMO. if you are betting the flop i think you need to be prepared to call his shove.

def bet the flop, around 15. checking = giving up with a lot of equity and postion.

I was also under the impression my range would be too air heavy to bet. But i don't think it's the case if i bet smallish like suggested here having done a little math. For 'my' range, if i wanted to be perfectly balanced vs his shove after cbetting, id need to call 3combos of AK, so i guess AK with bdfd

People seem to call 4-bets with all kinds of crap vs me, I'd bet AK on the flop not intending to fold it.

Yer, i guess he doesn't have to bluff shove much at all if i bet $15, i need 31% equity to call a shove.

Board: 4s 2d 6c

Hand 0: 31.319% { AdKh }
Hand 1: 68.681% { AhAs, KcKd, QdQh, QdQs, QhQs, JcJs, JdJh, JdJs, JhJs, TT-99, JTs }

I am cbeting this flop cause from my experience some players call 4bet OOp with marginal hands( AQ, sometimes I see AK a lot) and they fold plenty of times here, it works very often.

nvm

Yeah, this.

If he jams we will still have the best hand a decent portion and if he's got something stupid like pocket 8's we get a valuable read while still having good equity

24 is too big but 13 is a bit small for me... I'd bet 17ish