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06-27-2010 , 11:03 PM

Machew

old hand

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,236

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($95.90)
BB ($202)
UTG ($251)
CO ($102)
Hero ($200)

SB antes $0.20
BB antes $0.20
UTG antes $0.20
CO antes $0.20
Hero antes $0.20

Dealt to Hero 9

fold, fold, Hero raises to $3.20, SB calls $2.50, fold

FLOP ($8) 4

SB checks, Hero bets $6, SB calls $6

TURN ($20) 4

SB bets $5, Hero . . .

Villain is 38/16 over 61. I don't think he's very good but I don't have any specific reads yet. I'm tempted to raise his turn bet for value vs draws and worse made hands, but I risk getting 3bet without knowing what hands are in his range. So . . . call?

06-27-2010 , 11:26 PM

hWu

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Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 2,118

Villain is pretty unknown here; I would just call and see the river.

06-27-2010 , 11:30 PM

dontdoit

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 563

calling is probably best given that you probably cant expect an unknown to call a raise AND a bet on the river with a hand you beat

does look like hes trying to get a cheap card tho.....

06-27-2010 , 11:35 PM

Blaaz

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,853

How about raising the turn and checking back non 9 rivers?

06-28-2010 , 12:12 AM

oogabuga265

adept

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 770

I'm an instinctual player and I'm raising 10:1 over a call.

06-28-2010 , 01:34 AM

Machew

old hand

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,236

Do those advocating a raise prefer calling/shoving over a 3bet or raise/folding?

06-28-2010 , 01:44 AM

Blaaz

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,853

I'd be raise/folding. I don't expect this villain to 3bet a draw here like ever

06-28-2010 , 02:15 AM

polakpoker4

grinder

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 649

Ya like raising as well because it'll protect our hand while getting value from draws. There's a ton of bad river cards so this way it gives us a much better chance of getting a free showdown on the river.

06-28-2010 , 02:18 AM

dontdoit

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 563

everyone advocating raising (not that its bad) : have you considered the fact he might just fold a hand like 7x or 66 when we raise turn?

06-28-2010 , 05:11 AM

#10

iopq

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Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 3,347

Quote:

Originally Posted by dontdoit

everyone advocating raising (not that its bad) : have you considered the fact he might just fold a hand like 7x or 66 when we raise turn?

I'd have to ask if people consider the fact that he might just call with hands like 7x or a draw when we raise

06-28-2010 , 06:12 AM

#11

metalpower

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 238

I'd make it 18 and then check river behind often. If you just call, your decision will be hard on soo many river cards.

06-28-2010 , 06:17 AM

#12

sgxou

adept

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 920

i would bet/fold $15 to charge draws.

06-28-2010 , 06:27 AM

#13

CCM

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 6,528

$25 and check back river.

06-28-2010 , 06:33 AM

#14

krayz1e1

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 236

the good thing about raising the turn here is that the villain should check 90% of the rivers to us that allows us some control over the pot. if we'd just flat we might be left in a spot where calling the turn+river will cost more than raising the turn. So i'd definately raise with all the draws in the board and expect to get called by some random junk.

06-28-2010 , 06:48 AM

#15

Swire

adept

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 799

Quote:

Originally Posted by oogabuga265

I'm an instinctual player and I'm raising 10:1 over a call.

Your raising 10:1................ Wtf does that mean? Aint it easier to just say that you raise the turn?

06-29-2010 , 03:28 AM

#16

excession

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Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,560

Yeh - why would you balance your range 90/10 vs a 38/16 player's double barrels?

06-29-2010 , 04:53 AM

#17

poker4life

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Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,561

Quote:

Originally Posted by excession

Yeh - why would you balance your range 90/10

[nit]10:1 would actually be 91/9, not 90/10 (10/11 = 90.9%)[/nit]

As for the hand, I raise turn for value, to protect my hand, to charge draws, and to buy a free showdown.

06-29-2010 , 05:08 AM

#18

KCrow

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,383

I like raise/fold $15-22.

I don't really expect villain to ever 3 bet a draw here.

06-29-2010 , 05:17 AM

#19

thejoker12

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 234

just raise turn and ck bk river

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