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100NL deep vs reg 3b pot oop 100NL deep vs reg 3b pot oop

09-03-2014 , 04:28 PM
How do you play spots like these the best?
vs bad reg

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Boss
Hero ($492)
BB ($266)
UTG ($60.12)
CO ($418)
BTN ($209)

Dealt to Hero K K

fold, fold, BTN raises to $3.50, Hero raises to $11.50, fold, BTN calls $8

FLOP ($24) 6 J Q

Hero checks, BTN bets $18, Hero calls $18

TURN ($60) 6 J Q 9

Hero checks, BTN bets $45, Hero???
09-03-2014 , 04:39 PM
no cbet vs bad reg??
09-03-2014 , 04:55 PM
I'd start by CB.

As played call again and pray for some brick rivers
09-03-2014 , 05:11 PM
Mistakes were made on every street imo. Your oop so your 3 bet sizing should be bigger. On the flop giving up the initiative by checking on this extremely wet board just seems like a terrible idea. Like with our holdings and what came down this board practically screams at you to cbet. Is it that you are terrified of JJ/QQ cause unless he is a super nit, which you have not told us, his range on the button for defending an undersized 3bet is much larger. Even if that were the case we still should cbet this extremely wet board because there are so many cards that can come on the turn that just put us in a super awk spot and plenty of draws/weaker pairs to get value from. The hand becomes much harder to play and value is lost by checking the flop.

With that all said, as played I think we have to call and evaluate again on the river. If we don't get a brick we are probably pitching our hand here.
09-03-2014 , 05:20 PM
He had a pretty high fold to 3b so I assumed that it hit his range pretty hard.
09-03-2014 , 05:56 PM
We look kinda valuey with our flop check call... Therefore, I reckon this play wouldn't be so bad if you lead out on the turn.

Having said that, a Cbet line is an easy option... U still have a dangerous perceived range yourself.
09-04-2014 , 09:32 AM
aq has a lot of combos... call, fold nasty rivers and call other ones
flop is probably fine
09-04-2014 , 07:04 PM
Flop isn't bad by any means, but I'd probably bet vs bad reg. They'll just turn their hand face up a lot, making it easier for us to realise whether we can get value from worse, possibly 3 streets with our overpair or get away. Given btn vs bb ranges here, we should have the best hand an overwhelming amount of the time here imo and getting 3 streets shouldn't be too big a stretch on ideal runouts.

As played would call again, planning to fold river to a bet.
09-04-2014 , 08:23 PM
Looks ok if you call now
09-04-2014 , 08:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tobe4funas
aq has a lot of combos... call, fold nasty rivers and call other ones
flop is probably fine
ya this
09-14-2014 , 02:12 PM
Flop is pretty close, checking is fine but prefer it for combos with the Ks.

As played call turn and be prepared for some tough river decisions.
09-14-2014 , 02:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adzman
Flop is pretty close, checking is fine but prefer it for combos with the Ks.

As played call turn and be prepared for some tough river decisions.
+1 I'd rather check with the K :s:

but you say he is a bad reg? bad like how? if he is spazzy and overly aggro postflop I like the check otf. if he is too cally just cbet flop and turn and hope for a good runout, as played, keep calling unless river gets really ugly.
09-14-2014 , 02:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by booommmaaa
+1 I'd rather check with the K :s:

but you say he is a bad reg? bad like how? if he is spazzy and overly aggro postflop I like the check otf. if he is too cally just cbet flop and turn and hope for a good runout, as played, keep calling unless river gets really ugly.
I never said/passed comment on him being a bad reg, but if he's overly aggro checking is superior and overly passive then betting all combos is superior.
09-14-2014 , 07:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adzman
I never said/passed comment on him being a bad reg, but if he's overly aggro checking is superior and overly passive then betting all combos is superior.
I was referring to op.
09-15-2014 , 12:39 AM
good turn, check. you can either bet/fold or check call. we are not check folding, thats crazy exploitable. We don't block any draws and we block the turned nuts (KT). If he had QJ, he probably would raise flop and balance that with draws. so the 9 isn't as scary as it may look. Also he can have turned bd flush draw.

      
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