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100NL Combo draw turn decision 100NL Combo draw turn decision

12-31-2009 , 01:37 AM
Villain was 46/16/1 after about 100 hands. No great reads, havent got in any big spots with him thus far, he had 3bet me a couple times tho from the blinds. I obv would have been fine with gettin AI on the flop but how was my raise size?? I left myself approx a psb left for the turn...obv he flats and the turn bricks now what to do???

$100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 448976
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SB: $93.75
BB: $154.30
UTG: $89.50
Hero (CO): $102.00
BTN: $220.43

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with T 8
1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, BTN calls $3.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($8.50) 5 J 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $6.00, BTN raises to $12, Hero raises to $31, BTN calls $19

Turn: ($70.50) 4 (2 players)
Hero ???
12-31-2009 , 01:45 AM
shove yo he folds flush draws and some stupid **** like 98, you have like 30% equity vs Jx I think
12-31-2009 , 01:50 AM
I like making the flop raise more like 36-38 and then yeah, shove the turn imo. You need to put in the last bet on this hand.

Last edited by udbrky; 12-31-2009 at 01:50 AM. Reason: on the turn imo
12-31-2009 , 01:54 AM
lol drunk saymond

Also, flop 3b is too small but as played ship I mean the point of 3betting the flop isn't to fold a blank turn so just ****ing ship.
12-31-2009 , 02:33 AM
yeah it seems like if you're 3betting the flop, shipping the turn is the easiest no brainer. Or are you asking whether or not you 3bet the flop? It'd be villain dependent. If he's a passive donk then you don't really have FE and I'd just call his minraise b/c he has KJ like 100% of the time. Since he's 3bet you from the blinds a few times though, I imagine he has a bit of a splasher in him, and for that reason 3betting and shipping the turn is fine imo. Like mentioned b4, size a little bit bigger on the flop to make ship better on turn
12-31-2009 , 02:45 AM
i think if you make it like 38 on the flop and ship turn it's perfect
12-31-2009 , 02:47 AM
D_smith I agree it is entirely a sizing problem. Once you decide your play and 3bet you need to make ti a size so you can comfortably ship this turn.
12-31-2009 , 03:18 AM
yea figured a larger 3bet would be better...

fwiw, results...

Spoiler:
$100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 448976
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

SB: $93.75
BB: $154.30
UTG: $89.50
Hero (CO): $102.00
BTN: $220.43

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with T 8
1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, BTN calls $3.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($8.50) 5 J 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $6.00, BTN raises to $12, Hero raises to $31, BTN calls $19

Turn: ($70.50) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $67.50, BTN calls $67.50

River: ($205.50) J (2 players)

Final Pot: $205.50
Hero shows T 8
BTN shows 8 9
BTN wins $202.50
(Rake: $3.00)

12-31-2009 , 03:19 AM
shrug and move on IMO
12-31-2009 , 03:25 AM
hahaha 89, that's ****ing awesome dude, just confirms that you played the hand well imo
12-31-2009 , 03:26 AM
You absolutely have to shove turn. He needs to fold a very small % of the time to make it better than c/f or c/c. Flop is also standard. With a crappier draw that wouldn't like pushing the turn as much when called, I would flat the small flop raise vs a fish. Given how good this draw is 3 betting is good vs just about anyone and leaves you with a good stack size to push the turn if he flats.
12-31-2009 , 04:21 AM
definitely larger 3bet on flop.

because villain is bad i don't think just calling on the flop is terrible either. you don't have a huge amount of fold equity. fwiw i prob 3bet more than flat though.
12-31-2009 , 05:23 AM
FYI, against such fish: they don't fold turn in such spot, as the turn is a blank, so if they have a pair or a set, they won't fold, might not be the right play, but against passive fish trying to see the river and hitting cheaper might not be horrible. aka. check

but I probably would never get there, eventho its a overbet, but its against a total donk, so I would just ship flop probably over his minraise, as ppl like this hate folding and we have a massive draw. I like the flop raise size BTW, as it gives you a potsized shove, if you hit turn , you can go small small if you miss, you can shove and maximize FE.
against a fish just flat flop, or just shove it in tho.

Last edited by bigacsiga; 12-31-2009 at 05:24 AM. Reason: I think the 3bet size is great on flop to those that didn't like it
12-31-2009 , 05:26 AM
lol flats with a SC for implied and gets it with second pair lol.This villian is so bad,hopefully you got your stack back from him.Reading this kinda makes me tilt because of villian calling off with second pair, WTF is he thinking lol.Hand played well though, IAm mostly pot 3-betting flop.

      
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