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NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
($145)
Hero ($103)

Dealt to Hero Q 4

Hero raises to $2, calls $1

FLOP ($4) 7 3 6

checks, Hero bets $3, calls $3

TURN ($10) 7 3 6 5

checks, Hero bets $8, calls $8

RIVER ($26) 7 3 6 5 Q

checks, Hero bets $31, raises to $62

villain is unknown, just started a 6max table together (he is on a few tables) and so far he has won quite a bit from me, in just 12 hands.

my reasons to overbet river were a combination of polarising my range and to look stealy - since I had already lost a bit I wanted it to look like I was desperate for the pot, so thought an overbet could look like I'm trying too hard to rep straight, hance getting paid off by 2pair.

anyway, thought on river, can I fold with 4 to 1? awkward spot! he could be doing it with the same hand hence why I think I gotta call with such a good price?

still dont get the overbet

but as far as hands that you beat - looks like close to 0. A bluff would not minraise an overbet and a 4 would only call

looks like dem clubs

Don't like the OB. Also he's not raising a straight when you do overbet...

A live player once told me pot odds don't matter when you're beat.

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clear fold imo

I like this comment.

Yeh kinda knew he was only raising a flush tbh, or somehow a better straight, just was probs a bit tilted since he'd been running over me so I convinced myself 'nah he cant have backed into a flush'

U guys dislike the overbet just cos there's not much he can call it with that I beat?

I think an obet is good if you think theres a lot of chops in his range (theres not) but for value its awful

-Mike

call? lost min getting a straight to sd vs a huge drooler. congrats

your do realize your OB is basically a bluff ?

no because its not son

ok sir.

"villain is unknown..." stopped reading there

could you please explain how I am basically bluffing when I am overbetting?

I am polarising my range and trying to get value. Most people have said its a bad spot to be doing it in, which is fair enough and take it on board. But I dont see why you think I am bluffing? He hasn't repped enough strength for me to think I am trying to fold out a better hand.

I don't understand why people don't like the overbet on the river. Hero reps backdoor flush only with it, if he had bet smaller he would have repped a wider value range, so i think it was good, and i wouldn't call the river, i would be kind of amazed if this was a bluff.

Ehh I consider it very close to being a bluff. By overbetting, you want villain to fold out all 4s(chops). It is very very thing for how much strength you show.

Ok so you obviously assume 2pair snap folds? Given the dynamic that was already in place which I have explained, I still think it is a good spot for me to get paid off light with a bluffy looking bet

I just think when the flush comes in that it will just cause the dude to fold marginal bluffcatchers, whereas if they missed then he might call with them.

Basically I just dont think he will call with much worse and will sigh-call with a straight.

when you only rep a hand stronger than the one you have it's probably not a good bet... unless you're bluffing ofc

as played this is a fold

Sure, but he can be bluffing missed hearts? his range isn't 100% bdfd, but if we bet less than pot it could be bdfd/str8/Qx.
Well, im not as experienced as the others, im not gonna argue, i just can't see why it is bad that's all.

Can we agree that when a rando takes this line it's a bluff like never? Can we also agree he would never raise a queen/set/2purr or a 4 for value like ever? The overbet isn't getting him to fold a chop fwiw, and will fold everything he can call with that we're beating, and maximizes loss when we're beat... Especially if you're considering calling the river.

So yeah, we're [badly] bluffing by overbetting.