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03-27-2011 , 11:05 AM
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Hey guys, this hand got me confused as to what to do on the turn and then the river. Would like to know what you guys think about how I should have played this hand..

Villain was 18/13 over 126 hands, 3B:8, F3B: 50, AF: 1, FCB: 100, FvFCB: 25



    Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8515332

    CO: $179.15 (179.2 bb)
    BTN: $72.40 (72.4 bb)
    Hero (SB): $170.10 (170.1 bb)
    BB: $101.50 (101.5 bb)
    UTG: $32.35 (32.4 bb)
    MP: $101.50 (101.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 5 K
    4 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, BB calls $2.50

    Flop: ($7) T T K (2 players)
    Hero bets $5, BB calls $5

    Turn: ($17) J (2 players)
    Hero bets $11, BB calls $11

    River: ($39) 7 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BB bets $22.50, Hero folds

    Results: $39 pot ($1.90 rake)
    Final Board: T T K J 7
    Hero mucked 5 K and lost (-$19.50 net)
    BB mucked and won $37.10 ($17.60 net)



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    thoughts appreciated,

    thanks guys.
    03-27-2011 , 11:25 AM
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    I think you played it well.

    I also think you could have turned your hand into a bluff and CRAI on the river when villain sizes it that way - we have all the boats in our range and it looks like villain has a thinnish value hand relative to the board (flush) that can't stand a raise. But I suppose people don't really fold a lot to unorthodox lines BvB from experience, nor flushes at all really.
    03-27-2011 , 12:13 PM
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    You turn line does makes really sense,imo.

    So villain is quite a nit, thus if he calls you on the flop
    he has Tx,a better K a lot, and sometimes a pp or a random AJ,AQ float.
    You dont get value from pp, maybe from AJ, but will have you beat a lot,
    so betting the turn is burning money vs this villain.
    03-27-2011 , 12:17 PM
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    It would seem there is not much that can be done here and therefore the way you played is acceptable.
    Is villain capable of betting QJ,AJ,J9 with that bet to get you to fold a K?
    Do you call this bet if the river is a 7s? (would you have bet river given 7s?)
    03-27-2011 , 12:21 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MalcolmX23
    You turn line does makes really sense,imo.

    So villain is quite a nit, thus if he calls you on the flop
    he has Tx,a better K a lot, and sometimes a pp or a random AJ,AQ float.
    You dont get value from pp, maybe from AJ, but will have you beat a lot,
    so betting the turn is burning money vs this villain.
    Do you not think its possible he could have like JQ or a flush draw that I can get value from?
    03-27-2011 , 12:26 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Samora87
    It would seem there is not much that can be done here and therefore the way you played is acceptable.
    Is villain capable of betting QJ,AJ,J9 with that bet to get you to fold a K?
    Do you call this bet if the river is a 7s? (would you have bet river given 7s?)
    tbh with this river bet I was thinking he had a 10 or maybe like JQ, the river 7 does change a little bit because the flush got there but I dont think he continues with all his flush draws on the turn because he is kinda tight and its a paired board. So I think I might still fold on the 7s but then again it is possible he could have like Jxdd and turn his hand into a bluff but I think he will just check back the J with his showdown value here.
    03-27-2011 , 12:32 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mcfc1234
    Do you not think its possible he could have like JQ or a flush draw that I can get value from?
    yeah if i take a second look you might get also value from those hands.
    Certainly from QJ, but i am not so sure about naked FDs.
    But given his pf stats there are not that many FD in his range imo,
    and there should be a lot of Kx and Tx (KT-KQ,T9s,JTs,QTo,ATo,AdQd),
    so that are 39 combos. QJ are only 12,and keep in mind that you are not a huge favorit vs QJ,FD while Kx,Tx has you crushed.
    03-27-2011 , 12:44 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MalcolmX23
    yeah if i take a second look you might get also value from those hands.
    Certainly from QJ, but i am not so sure about naked FDs.
    But given his pf stats there are not that many FD in his range imo,
    and there should be a lot of Kx and Tx (KT-KQ,T9s,JTs,QTo,ATo,AdQd),
    so that are 39 combos. QJ are only 12,and keep in mind that you are not a huge favorit vs QJ,FD while Kx,Tx has you crushed.
    yeah, I agree thanks .. So on the turn then you are c/f right?
    03-27-2011 , 02:03 PM
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    Quote:
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    yeah, I agree thanks .. So on the turn then you are c/f right?
    yeah
    03-28-2011 , 01:17 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by LOLdonkaments.
    I think you played it well.

    I also think you could have turned your hand into a bluff and CRAI on the river when villain sizes it that way - we have all the boats in our range and it looks like villain has a thinnish value hand relative to the board (flush) that can't stand a raise. But I suppose people don't really fold a lot to unorthodox lines BvB from experience, nor flushes at all really.
    CRAI OTR is sexy here i like it
    03-28-2011 , 03:47 PM
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    seems okay.
    03-28-2011 , 05:12 PM
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    Check shove is pretty ill but I don't think people will give you enough credit bvb so I'd cf.
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