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07-02-2009 , 07:47 AM
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He limp/folded one time in MP, no oter reads though.
I guess it´s a fold on the river right?
How about shipping the turn cause we turn the nut FD an he seems to be a bit bad because of the limp/fold?

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NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($117)
BB ($98.50)
UTG ($39.15)
Hero ($103)
CO ($161)
BTN ($126)

Dealt to Hero A A

fold, Hero raises to $4, fold, BTN calls $4, fold, fold

FLOP ($9.50) K K 6

Hero bets $7, BTN raises to $16, Hero calls $9

TURN ($41.50) K K 6 3

Hero checks, BTN bets $24, Hero calls $24

RIVER ($89.50) K K 6 3 Q

Hero checks, BTN bets $59, Hero
07-02-2009 , 08:16 AM
Actually I don't even see how you can be thinking it can be a call, flop flush draws got there on the turn, a K is still a big hand, and he isn't betting JJ-.

ez fold imo.

btw on the turn I would have called too but i'm not so sure it's +EV. Pretty sure it ain't in fact

shipping the turn is spew, you get called by flushes (lowers even more your outs), kings, 66, fold out worse.

imo fold > call >>>> ship
07-02-2009 , 08:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by beHypE
Actually I don't even see how you can be thinking it can be a call, flop flush draws got there on the turn, a K is still a big hand, and he isn't betting JJ-.

ez fold imo.

btw on the turn I would have called too but i'm not so sure it's +EV. Pretty sure it ain't in fact

shipping the turn is spew, you get called by flushes (lowers even more your outs), kings, 66, fold out worse.

imo fold > call >>>> ship
no turn call is good w/ the odds you're getting...
07-02-2009 , 08:44 AM
really ? assuming villain has no flush you have 2.7:1 pot odds, but need like 4:1 for the flush. If a spade peels on the river, do you really think you'll get action? Only great card is an Ace.

I don't think we're ever ahead on the turn and the odds for the flush aren't enough to justify a call, imo (but like i said, in the heat, i would have called too).
07-02-2009 , 08:56 AM
Anyone like bet/fold on the turn?
07-02-2009 , 09:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cobby
no turn call is good w/ the odds you're getting...
what? youre calling 24 into 64 which as behype said is only 2.75:1 or so. if he has the K, we have 8 outs to the flush (don't want him hitting the fh) and 2 to the A. if he has a flush, we have 7 outs to the flush and 4 to a fh, so at most in this hand we have 11 outs and next to no implied odds. not enough to warrant calling unless the guy is an implied odds machine which is unlikely.
07-02-2009 , 09:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BeastBiceps
Anyone like bet/fold on the turn?
no, anything he decided to raise on the flop that wasn't a straight bluff got there and he most likely isn't folding a K to our donk. so with a donk bet we just fold out his pure bluffs and it can only really be good if we think hes going to fire 3 streets as a bluff most of the time. with the info given that he minraised the flop i don't think he'll be good enough to.
07-02-2009 , 11:08 AM
A tough position -

I think it is much more likely he has a K than a flush draw, so you could either just give it up on the turn, or (what i would do since im an agressive nob) is ship it after he bets into you
Even if he has the K, you still got SOME outs. Heck, even if he plays his flush draw really agressively like that, you still have a couple of outs (2 aces, the other 2 kings and the other spades)
07-02-2009 , 06:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SoLost
what? youre calling 24 into 64 which as behype said is only 2.75:1 or so. if he has the K, we have 8 outs to the flush (don't want him hitting the fh) and 2 to the A. if he has a flush, we have 7 outs to the flush and 4 to a fh, so at most in this hand we have 11 outs and next to no implied odds. not enough to warrant calling unless the guy is an implied odds machine which is unlikely.
What a bull****. Let's say we have 10 outs then we need odds of 3.6:1. However we only get 2.75:1, means we need implieds of 0.85 which transfers to 20$...
So when you call the pot is 112$ big. You only need to donk 20$!!!!! to make it BE. He's getting 5.6:1 odds and he seems bit bad. He's ALWAYS calling here. So make it 25-30$ and he'll still ALWAYS call (you can probably bet even more..)... And im not even talking about the hands when you make your boat on A and get his full stack or when you have 11 outs...

I just want to state that it's profitable. Do some more math, think a bit and call..

Last edited by cobby; 07-02-2009 at 06:53 PM.
07-02-2009 , 07:20 PM
and by the way, the dude might be bluffing occasionally and you are good....
07-03-2009 , 12:26 AM
Hand is played fine.
I fold river. He knows you have a high PP here and he bets river.
07-03-2009 , 01:07 AM
I don't see him betting anything here we bet other than a bluff and he isn't bluffing often enough to call. I think turn with the FD and overpair is fine.
07-03-2009 , 02:24 AM
folding the river looks alright to me.
07-03-2009 , 02:59 AM
I call turn and fold river.

Hand still has some showdown value is bluffing but doesnt look like it. If your A hits I donk 1/2 pot at him.
07-03-2009 , 03:28 AM
check flop
edit: no bet flop is good since we get value out of PP.
fine as played, fold river.
07-03-2009 , 07:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cobby
What a bull****. Let's say we have 10 outs then we need odds of 3.6:1. However we only get 2.75:1, means we need implieds of 0.85 which transfers to 20$...
So when you call the pot is 112$ big. You only need to donk 20$!!!!! to make it BE. He's getting 5.6:1 odds and he seems bit bad. He's ALWAYS calling here. So make it 25-30$ and he'll still ALWAYS call (you can probably bet even more..)... And im not even talking about the hands when you make your boat on A and get his full stack or when you have 11 outs...

I just want to state that it's profitable. Do some more math, think a bit and call..
can anyone tell me if this math is right? i don't know how to do much poker math, most of my learning is more to do with ranges etc which obviously works but i'm trying to add more math into my game.

      
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