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02-23-2012 , 12:48 AM
Villain is 29/29 over 70 hands. Nothing out of the ordinary

Really not sure what to do here. I'm putting him on 99/TT/QJ/QQ/KK

SB ($100)
BB ($133.50)
UTG ($88)
UTG+1 ($172)
CO ($120.50)
Hero ($189)

Dealt to Hero A A

fold, UTG+1 raises to $3, fold, Hero raises to $11, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls $8

FLOP ($23.50) 9 T 5

UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $12, UTG+1 raises to $40, Hero calls $28

TURN ($103) 9 T 5 7

UTG+1 bets $121 (AI), Hero calls ?
02-23-2012 , 01:49 AM
most regs just fast play QQ+ here
i probably fold flop
02-23-2012 , 04:23 AM
i dont think that we beat him on the turn ever,as a reg he should know that u have strong 3betting range vs UTG and with JJ and QQ he should know that is bluffcatching.I dont see him calling pre with QJ and KK btw.Despite this I wont fold the flop with this info.
02-23-2012 , 05:30 AM
What's your 3bet history at the table versus him? versus other?

What's his 3bet history?

You can probably find some J8s, most JJ and very few QQ+ in his range, maybe AhKh/KhQh.

Btw, do you really view a 29/29 (with a cold calling 3bet range OOP) like a standard reg?

Given no history and stack depth I think folding flop is ok. Folding this turn too.
02-23-2012 , 05:50 AM
I don't like to c-bet that kind of boards.
Also I would fold to the c/r OTF, can not find the reason to call if we are gonna fold on his turn bet, which i expecting from unknown player.
02-23-2012 , 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Mph
I don't like to c-bet that kind of boards.
Also I would fold to the c/r OTF, can not find the reason to call if we are gonna fold on his turn bet, which i expecting from unknown player.
This is a good board to cbet! He will raise with a set and call with JJ-QQ so it plays much easier if we just cbet.
02-23-2012 , 08:42 AM
why would he flat a set on such a dry board?

not folding think he can turn up with worse alot, QQ/JJ/ not comfortable getting it in pre this deep waiting for low flop. Even slow played KK and some random semi bluff that turn draw AQ/AJ/KQ flush draws
02-23-2012 , 08:52 AM
Played perfect as long as you call the river.
02-23-2012 , 09:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FocusIT
Played perfect as long as you call the river.
[ ] Knows how to read

[ ] Should be giving advice on anything
02-23-2012 , 09:46 AM
Way to over react after a inconsequential error douchebag
02-23-2012 , 10:03 AM
you two should play hu4rolllzzzz
02-23-2012 , 10:13 AM
given your stats on him thus far, 29/29, im not sure he's the type of player to flat KK pre for balance. and you dont really see people going nuts with QQ here all that much. (although you only have 70 hands on him , so i realize he could be a 24/19 or whatever.)

most of his range is sets and T9s. don't think he's trying to run you off of an overpair with an OESD. especially after you offer him a nice drawing price on the flop. most regs just flat OESD in position.

so, fold the flop. as played, fold turn.
02-23-2012 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Dying Actors
given your stats on him thus far, 29/29, im not sure he's the type of player to flat KK pre for balance. and you dont really see people going nuts with QQ here all that much. (although you only have 70 hands on him , so i realize he could be a 24/19 or whatever.)

most of his range is sets and T9s. don't think he's trying to run you off of an overpair with an OESD. especially after you offer him a nice drawing price on the flop. most regs just flat OESD in position.

so, fold the flop. as played, fold turn.
+1 , I'd also bet bigger flop to give him bad odds to call with bunch of pairs+gutshots etc .. He's definitely calling with a fairly wide range on the flop whatever you bet so you might as well get as much value quick.
02-23-2012 , 03:13 PM
I usually level myself into a call because he plays his hand so fast its hard to imagine its for value. But its probably a fold cause as people said before you don't really have a dynamic going after 70 hands and its just rare that people go monkey mode in this spot with worse value hands and its so hard to put bluffs or even most semi bluffs in his range.
02-23-2012 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Dying Actors
given your stats on him thus far, 29/29, im not sure he's the type of player to flat KK pre for balance. and you dont really see people going nuts with QQ here all that much. (although you only have 70 hands on him , so i realize he could be a 24/19 or whatever.)

most of his range is sets and T9s. don't think he's trying to run you off of an overpair with an OESD. especially after you offer him a nice drawing price on the flop. most regs just flat OESD in position.

so, fold the flop. as played, fold turn.
I agree with this, as well as betting more on the flop. If there's no real reason to believe that he's either a spaz monkey or that he thinks he can take you off a big overpair, you're not good here often enough to call the shove.
02-23-2012 , 06:16 PM
i would fodl the turn
02-23-2012 , 06:19 PM
He has JQs as often as he has 9ts but i feel like being OOP he CR JQs more often than 9ts although it think it's very close to the same frequency.

He has JJ-KK as often as he has 55,99 and TT (for the sake of the argument, although it's obvious he has 55 less often than he has KK). Again i think he is more likely to play JJ-KK fast as opposed to sets to give us the opportunity to improve or barrel. He knows he stacks our AA whatever he does, so his line should be designed to get max value from the rest of our range. I guess the same logic works for when he has overpairs, however with those hands he has to worry about protection as well so he would be more likely to play them fast.

Basically I think he plays the portion of that range we beat this way much more often than he does his sets and 9Ts and that is why i call down.
02-23-2012 , 08:20 PM
I snap the ott.
02-23-2012 , 09:35 PM
Dying actors your thought process is inconsistent if you say he can have T9s.

I'm folding since he's probably 4betting QQ+, JJ doesn't c/r the flop, and I doubt he's bluffing here. But if he can have T9s in his range I'm not folding.
02-23-2012 , 10:13 PM
Fold turn. I think he shuts down a lot on the turn with the semi-bluffing part of his range. Your flop call is good imo.
02-23-2012 , 10:19 PM
What is your image? If you are 3betting light a lot, and this guy is aggro, I might call call.
Otherwise bet-fold flop would be my default here vs most unknowns with this c/r sizing.
02-23-2012 , 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Izanagi
Dying actors your thought process is inconsistent if you say he can have T9s.
how so?
02-23-2012 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Sirrybob
What is your image? If you are 3betting light a lot, and this guy is aggro, I might call call.
Otherwise bet-fold flop would be my default here vs most unknowns with this c/r sizing.
How can the flop be a bet/fold with no read. Villain could be doing this worse for value and as a bluff. We are behind only 11 combos of hands. We can make a better decision on the turn in position. I just don't understand why people are making the flop such a clear fold.
02-23-2012 , 11:05 PM
what you all are really saying when you say he has QJs here is i have AA and i dont like to fold
02-25-2012 , 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Gaszzzz
what you all are really saying when you say he has QJs here is i have AA and i dont like to fold
What if we call the flop x/r and villain bets 1/2 pot on the turn?

      
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