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100NL: 2overcards in a 3bet pot 100NL: 2overcards in a 3bet pot

01-28-2011 , 01:01 PM
Villain was 35/24 over 65 hands on 2 out of 3 of my tables. Pretty sure he is a reg and likely has a loose 3bet range from this possition. Think his overall 3bet was 7-8% at the time.

Wondered if it is a good idea to float? I planned to float on a lot of low board textures but Qhi has allways given me trouble. Do you just fold?
I was thinking, if he has AQ/KQ then id be in a lot of trouble if i turned an overcard.

$100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players

Hero (BTN): $101.50
SB: $139.89
BB: $100.00
CO: $78.97

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with K A
1 fold, Hero raises to $2.50, SB raises to $9.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $7

Flop: ($20.00) Q 3 4 (2 players)
SB bets $11.00, Hero?
01-28-2011 , 01:21 PM
No postflop reads?
01-28-2011 , 01:34 PM
I question flatting pre with AKo against a person who 3-bets 8% overall; shoving feels much better. Were these stats all from very short tables (this hand is 4 handed), or were the tables generally larger? If they were generally larger, than his actual 3-bet range in this situation (blind vs button) is going to be even wider.

There are lots of meta-game reasons for shoving preflop.
01-28-2011 , 01:34 PM
i'd 4bet that way more often than not
01-28-2011 , 06:28 PM
flatting pre is fine imo as is 4betting. flatting keeps in alot of his worse Ax and Kx hands and also we can always expect him to bluff on aces and kings postflop

when i flat pre in position i would be looking to float most flops i miss and that i have overcards. the only exception i make to this is Q high flops like this which hits too much of his range imo and gives us some reverse implied odds should we hit a pair. i would fold
01-28-2011 , 06:35 PM
i think 4bet/call is quite a bit better than calling, not a huge mistake though.

i would float flop but im not thrilled about it, as previously stated Q hi no BDFD is not a great flop for us but still good enough given his sizing.
01-28-2011 , 07:32 PM
His 3-bet range is plenty wide enough to be raising the flop. If you knew more info about his post flop play, then floating would be fine as well. But w/o better info I'd raise since it will be put him in a tough position for all his chips w/ under pairs, and of course he'll have to fold his air.
01-29-2011 , 02:04 AM
Since He has wide 3b range i raise to about 27 here.put him to pressure with all his pps and being oop he will fold many of those.
01-29-2011 , 06:06 AM
ty for replays all.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ieatmonkies
I question flatting pre with AKo against a person who 3-bets 8% overall; shoving feels much better. Were these stats all from very short tables (this hand is 4 handed), or were the tables generally larger? If they were generally larger, than his actual 3-bet range in this situation (blind vs button) is going to be even wider.

There are lots of meta-game reasons for shoving preflop.
They were normally 6max tables.


Quote:
Originally Posted by cman24687
flatting pre is fine imo as is 4betting. flatting keeps in alot of his worse Ax and Kx hands and also we can always expect him to bluff on aces and kings postflop

when i flat pre in position i would be looking to float most flops i miss and that i have overcards. the only exception i make to this is Q high flops like this which hits too much of his range imo and gives us some reverse implied odds should we hit a pair. i would fold
Thanks, pretty much confirms what i thought at the time, so great

Quote:
Originally Posted by FreakDaddy
His 3-bet range is plenty wide enough to be raising the flop. If you knew more info about his post flop play, then floating would be fine as well. But w/o better info I'd raise since it will be put him in a tough position for all his chips w/ under pairs, and of course he'll have to fold his air.
That sounds like a rly great play i had not considered, thank you.
01-29-2011 , 06:37 AM
I'm 4 betting unless I have a good enough read on the player to handle spots like this.

Also good point on Q high being one of the worst flops float wise
01-29-2011 , 08:26 AM
you should be 4betting your equity here, AA/KK are way better hands to trap and if you flat all of these you'll have balancing issues in your 4betting range. as played this is not a good flop, i'd fold and slap my face for not 4betting.
01-29-2011 , 11:10 AM
I think vs looser 3bettors it's personal preference whether u have a calling range or a 4bet range. I agree, having both would be hard to balance though. I had a feeling this guy was loose in this spot.

      
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