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100NL: 2 annoying hands. 100NL: 2 annoying hands.

02-28-2010 , 08:48 AM
Played these last night near end of session and my mind conveniently sort of switched off right before them, so any help with either one appreciated.

Reads1
Both villains had Tag'ish' stats over 50 or so hands, maybe 22 VPIP.

Thoughts1
I didn't think i could get much value, only 2 streets at most since i didn't think theyd be calling with many worse Kx. So i decided id get more value from letting them bluff. River is kind of a good card in a way since it blocks KQ combos, but.. the fact that he's betting 3 streets here worries me.

Hand1
Ongame Network $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $156.70
BTN: $137.50
SB: $99.00
BB: $80.25
Hero (UTG): $100.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with J K
Hero raises to $3.50, CO calls $3.50, BTN calls $3.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($12.00) 9 3 K (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $12.00, Hero calls $12, CO folds

Turn: ($36.00) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $18.00, Hero calls $18

River: ($72.00) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $25.00, Hero?

Reads2
MP was 19/17 over 113 hands fairly aggro 3bettor. CO was a 54/11 over 90hands and extremely loose post-flop, like super loose.

Thoughts2
For some reason i thought CO was the pfr and reg was BB, so the regs lead looked super strong to me causing me to want to fold the flop, but i had top pair so.. anyway, his cbet still looks very strong, and im rly not sure, since i think his range is like flush draws/strong hands, both of which he will probably fire 2-3 streets, so am i just burning money by calling anyway?
I mean it's different with the recreational player calling since he's not gonna barrel draws on turn, so i much prefer calling now(in the hand i just said to myself i have toppair i call). On the turn i was kind of rushed for time, and thought, well one of em must have TJ beat so folded but think it might have been a mistake really since CO hardly ever has me beat with the reads i have, and the reg is likely just c/fing a missed flush draw now.

Hand2
Q1. How does the reg being a overcaller in the BB or pfr in MP affect your decissions here?
Q2. If this was HU with the reg, what is your plan for flop+turn+river?
Q3. How bad was my turn fold if CO was the pfr?

Ongame Network $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: $118.30
CO: $55.35
Hero (BTN): $102.60
SB: $131.45
BB: $185.35

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with T J
UTG raises to $3, CO calls $3, Hero calls $3, 2 folds

Flop: ($10.50) 6 5 T (3 players)
UTG bets $7.00, CO calls $7, Hero calls $7

Turn: ($31.50) 9 (3 players)
UTG checks, CO bets $12.00, Hero folds
02-28-2010 , 05:39 PM
Sry for big post :-\
02-28-2010 , 05:56 PM
hand1: playing your hand like you did seems to make it a lot tougher to make good decisions, as played, id prolly just call given that its 4-1 and your hand looks a little underrepped.
02-28-2010 , 06:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dontdoit
hand1: playing your hand like you did seems to make it a lot tougher to make good decisions
Yer i agree
02-28-2010 , 07:40 PM
Call 1, bet the flop yourself for sure though. Not sure why you folded the 2nd hand. Not sure about Q1 but Q2 I just call down and 3 perfectly fine.
02-28-2010 , 08:03 PM
I'd snapcall hand 1 given betsizing, no idea why he wouldn't jam a better hand there given how you played, so it looks bluffy to me.

Call turn in hand 2, fish can bet for no reason at all when given a chance to, and it's small.
03-01-2010 , 12:07 AM
hand 1: One of the two streets should always be the flop imo...as played call river-he's not expecting you to have a decent K and pot odds blah.

hand 2: I would be more willing to fold to UTG bet than the CO as its obv more strong bet bet into 2 peeps. tho the fold can't be bad as it would be a terrible bet by CO not to bet the river auto which is hard for you to call so nh. i prolly call while playing..
03-01-2010 , 12:45 AM
hand1: id def bet flop especially cause its 3handed, i guess i wouldnt mind checking if you were HU. as played i call cause he made it cheap...
hand2: is the co(the fish) the type of fish that only ch/c all the time or is he an aggressive fish. If hes the former then a fold is fine and probably correct. If hes slightly more aggressive i'd call.

      
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