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100NL 165BB's deep; flatting a 3bet with weakish hand IP; Make TP bluff on turn? 100NL 165BB's deep; flatting a 3bet with weakish hand IP; Make TP bluff on turn?

02-04-2010 , 07:23 PM
Villain is 29.5/25.5/3.5; 3bet = 13.3%; Flop cbet = 75%; Turn cbet = 31% OVER 300 hands.

CO is a big fish and I've been isolating him a lot ... I've really been raising a ton of hands at this table, it seems almost as if I'm raising every other hand (but it hasn't really been that crazy .... and the table has been 6 handed mostly). I've been raising 4 to 6 BB's often when CO is in the hand. Here I raise to 2.5BB's and I have been doing so as the other 2 guys are regulars and well you can see the 3bet % here.


How do you guys feel about raising the turn mostly looking to get bigger A's to fold? If that option is your pick then what size?


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Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $94.80
Hero (BTN): $165.85
SB: $103.55
BB: $178.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with A 4
1 fold, Hero raises to $2.50, 1 fold, BB requests TIME, BB raises to $10, Hero calls $7.50

Flop: ($19.50) 7 T A (2 players)
BB requests TIME, BB bets $14.50, Hero calls $14.50

Turn: ($47.00) T (2 players)
BB requests TIME, BB bets $29.50, Hero ???
02-05-2010 , 12:14 AM
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02-05-2010 , 12:28 AM
I wouldn't do the turn raise.. I doubt it you get good aces to fold enough because you are repping quite a narrow range altogether (well I guess you do flat a lot of Tx but would you often raise turn with them?), and you could very well have the flush or some straight draw.
02-05-2010 , 12:38 AM
I rep a somewhat narrow range but I can def. flat stuff pre like T8s,T9s,JT,QTs,TT,77,AT. I may or may not raise those on the turn but there's really no way he could know.
02-05-2010 , 12:42 AM
I think it's pretty damn hopeful that he's folding AQ or better
02-05-2010 , 04:00 AM
anyone like calling intending to bomb river when checked to?
02-05-2010 , 04:24 AM
Pretty hard to get him to fold AJ+ here after he puts 1/3 of his stack in imo. Especially considering your image is pretty aggro.
02-05-2010 , 04:58 AM
it looks like you're trying to push a fish off top pair in a 3 bet pot after they've bet the turn.
02-05-2010 , 05:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SameRiverTwice
it looks like you're trying to push a fish off top pair in a 3 bet pot after they've bet the turn.
Nope you read it wrong, that would be insanely bad of course...

The villain is BB and not a fish, aggro regular
02-05-2010 , 05:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ikestoys
I think it's pretty damn hopeful that he's folding AQ or better
this, also a 3b range this wide contains a fair amount of Tx
02-05-2010 , 05:22 PM
If I make it like $83 it's gotta work just a little more than 50% of the time.
02-05-2010 , 11:14 PM
To me this looks like a spot where you don't want to call and you don't want to fold, so you decide to raise. Not because it's a good play but because you don't like the other options. And that's pretty much the worst reason possible to want to raise.

I mean come on. It's a blind steal/resteal situation, there's numerous draws off the flop and you want to try to get him to fold a good hand when you're repping very very little and raising on a 'fake' scare card?
02-05-2010 , 11:54 PM
I don't like calling with very weak aces here preflop.

You are dominated by a lot of his bluffing AX range.

4b or fold imho.


As played fold>call>raise imho, even you look strong here if you raise, most 3bet monkeys at NL100 don't like laying down any TP in 3bet pots. So if you get a fold i expect you to be ahead most of the time
02-06-2010 , 02:30 AM
I don't think he has an ace here all that often given his betsizing, or maybe he is just bad.
So, I would call and think I'm good often enough.
02-06-2010 , 08:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jever
I don't think he has an ace here all that often given his betsizing, or maybe he is just bad.
So, I would call and think I'm good often enough.
Right, he should bet huge if he has an ace so everything worse can easily fold. He sure does suck.
02-06-2010 , 09:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ikestoys
I think it's pretty damn hopeful that he's folding AQ or better
this for real, u just dont have that many Tx hands

edit: also, he may have a quite high 3b %, but realize you guys are 'deep' and his range will tighten up significantly due to that, and the fact that your BTN raise is very small leaves SPR pretty high even in 3b pots.

      
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