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04-22-2008 , 04:32 AM

llamage

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 310

Villain is 17/16 with a river infinite aggression. Should I have bet more on the flop? Bet the turn?

As played do I call river? Kinda lost on this hand
Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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SkyZzik (CO): $117.30
Hero (BTN): $155.70
Villain (SB): $123.95
vandijkenhen (BB): $23.90
arkana (UTG): $102.50
darthset (MP): $106.90

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with J

2 folds, SkyZzik raises to $4, Hero raises to $12, Villain calls $11.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($29.00) 9

(2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $15, Villain calls $15

Turn: ($59.00) Q

(2 players)
Villain checks, Hero checks

River: ($59.00) 5

(2 players)
Villain bets $34, Hero folds

04-22-2008 , 04:44 AM

usha

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 574

Bet more on flop.

As played, you have to call that river bet. You like so weak, he probably puts you on AK.

04-22-2008 , 05:53 AM

Learning

grinder

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 665

I think KQ is probably the bottom of his betting range here.

04-22-2008 , 06:00 AM

DonEdison

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,656

wtf? bet more on flop! eather bet turn or call river imo! pot is 93 u have to call 34! i think hes bluffing often enough to make it +ev!

04-22-2008 , 06:05 AM

mdm13

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 3,756

Quote:

Originally Posted by Learning

I think KQ is probably the bottom of his betting range here.

dont think he has KQ here

i think this is played ok and id call river

04-22-2008 , 11:14 AM

riske

veteran

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,493

Infinite river aggression? Call for sure. Guess your flop bet is ok if you're trying to induce a shove/get called by something weird.

04-22-2008 , 11:49 AM

billip62

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 470

ez call on the riv, you can't pot control the turn without paying out on the riv imo especially to a small bet.

04-22-2008 , 11:52 AM

Keeper1125

veteran

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,913

Bet $21 on flop, bet turn. As played, call river.

04-22-2008 , 11:57 AM

S.Clause

adept

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,058

He had AA/KK amirite? edit: nevermind you folded.

And yeah you have to call river.
Hm on second thought it not an easy call. 3bet coldcalling range is like AA,KK maybe QQ? So you don't beat much but I still call because of the odds and just maaaaybe he has TT or AK there.

Last edited by S.Clause; 04-22-2008 at 12:02 PM.

04-22-2008 , 01:05 PM

#10

Llama88

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 537

raise more pf, bet more on flop, as played you look very weak and i think you have to call the river

04-22-2008 , 01:20 PM

#11

EasyAs1-2-3

adept

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 923

Flop bet too small, snapcall river bet.

04-22-2008 , 01:36 PM

#12

wuwei

veteran

Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,223

Quote:

Originally Posted by EasyAs1-2-3

Flop bet too small, snapcall river bet.

Why are you guys so hung up on the flop bet size? I would like to hear why betting more on the flop changes things. Is villain going to change his calling range? Does it change our plan for the hand?

04-22-2008 , 06:44 PM

#13

DonEdison

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,656

Quote:

Originally Posted by wuwei

Why are you guys so hung up on the flop bet size? I would like to hear why betting more on the flop changes things. Is villain going to change his calling range? Does it change our plan for the hand?

flop bet looks unusual imo and very unconforteble ... i bet 21! and we geving him better odds for calling ... (1/3 instead of 2/5....)

04-22-2008 , 06:47 PM

#14

subs

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 6,731

betting 1/2 to 2/3 pot is standard in a 3 bet pot... dont listen to everyone who is saying otherwise... sure i bet closer to 2/3.. but everyone does their own thang

you are saving money when your cbet gets checkraised and all the money is going to get in anyway whether you bet close to full pot or close to half pot

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