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04-01-2010 , 02:28 AM

Dying Actors

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Villain is 22/19, 9% 3b. Don't really have any history with him. But he has fairly aggressive post flop betting numbers. (edit: and he had folded 3 of 3 times previously to a 4b. i only have 700 hands on him.)

$200.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $263.85
SB: $100.90
BB: $200.00
UTG: $131.10
Hero (MP): $244.65
CO: $31.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is MP with Q

1 fold, Hero raises to $7, 1 fold, BTN raises to $24, 2 folds, Hero raises to $51, BTN calls $27

Flop: ($105.00) J

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $64.00, Hero raises to $193.65

Probably standard, but I like to double check.

04-01-2010 , 02:32 AM

Oliver Klozoff

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Looks fine.

04-01-2010 , 02:35 AM

bombonanza

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i can rule out KK and AA, now it's either he has QQ also or AKs, AQs FD...

i think you're good here.

04-01-2010 , 02:37 AM

Dying Actors

Pooh-Bah

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bombonanza

i can rule out KK and AA

this is downright silly

04-01-2010 , 02:37 AM

firefoxmaz11

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Standardd, 4b to like ~65 though

04-01-2010 , 02:41 AM

wdead

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I like betting the flop rather than risk a free card

04-01-2010 , 03:33 AM

bombonanza

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dying Actors

this is downright silly

who will not shove with AA or KK after a villain 4BET 1/5 his stack with total pot around 40BB?

04-01-2010 , 03:41 AM

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Pooh-Bah

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bombonanza

who will not shove with AA or KK after a villain 4BET 1/5 his stack with total pot around 40BB?

well, villain for one, since he showed up with aces.

04-01-2010 , 03:43 AM

Oliver Klozoff

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wdead

I like betting the flop rather than risk a free card

I agree, but he did mention villain was particularly aggressive post, so I don't mind it here.

04-01-2010 , 03:44 AM

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Dying Actors

Pooh-Bah

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wdead

I like betting the flop rather than risk a free card

me too.

but isnt an occasional c/r here good as well?

oh, and are you bet calling or bet folding?

04-01-2010 , 04:28 AM

#11

wdead

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B/c is fine and if I were cr it would be because villain had seen me c/f in a few spots before and I wanted to him him I dont c/f every time I check.

04-01-2010 , 05:04 AM

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bombonanza

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dying Actors

well, villain for one, since he showed up with aces.

weird.. i can't imagine an '9% 3b' and 'aggressive' failed to shove pre with AA.

anyway, nice play, scared the hell out of him..

04-01-2010 , 11:50 AM

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Pooh-Bah

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wdead

B/c is fine and if I were cr it would be because villain had seen me c/f in a few spots before and I wanted to him him I dont c/f every time I check.

if we lead and he shoves, what do we beat? i feel like leading almost turns our hand into a bluff. there is almost no worse hand he can call with here. maybe tens every once in a while. but even that seems unlikely. other than the flush draws, which there aren't many combos of (and those have excellent equity against us anyways,) it feels like we're usually in trouble if i bet out and get action.

04-01-2010 , 11:59 AM

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CCM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bombonanza

who will not shove with AA or KK after a villain 4BET 1/5 his stack with total pot around 40BB?

Flatting this 4 bet with AA/KK is infinitely better than flatting with any other hand, even though it may not always be optimal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bombonanza

weird.. i can't imagine an '9% 3b' and 'aggressive' failed to shove pre with AA.

anyway, nice play, scared the hell out of him..

lol no, more like he fist pumped called here.

OP, I think you have to get it in here. b/c or c/r are both fine, since you have an overpair in a 4 bet pot and don't have any strong reads telling you otherwise. Given you had recently 4 bet villain 3 times, he can easily be making a stand here, so I like your line

04-01-2010 , 12:30 PM

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Pooh-Bah

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CCM

Flatting this 4 bet with AA/KK is infinitely better than flatting with any other hand, even though it may not always be optimal.

lol no, more like he fist pumped called here.

OP, I think you have to get it in here. b/c or c/r are both fine, since you have an overpair in a 4 bet pot and don't have any strong reads telling you otherwise. Given you had recently 4 bet villain 3 times, he can easily be making a stand here, so I like your line

no no, i only meant his stats said he folded 3 of 3 times to a 4b. i think only one of those was from me, and it was in a previous session.

04-01-2010 , 12:31 PM

#16

Thats What Happens

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chalk it off as a cooler if he had you beat here

Last edited by Thats What Happens; 04-01-2010 at 12:31 PM. Reason: your line was fine imo

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