I read the post for noobs posting, and I promise you that this will be the only post I make in this forum that is not toally on the subject of poker. To the vets, this may sound redundant, but this is one of my first posts and I plan to use 2+2 as one the most important tools in my game. I can tell you that I will not be posting questions including anything about folding pre flop or tossing a bottom set on the flop. I have gone broke 2x. Once with a starting BR of 1500 playing 1/2 6 max once with a BR of 1700 playing .50 1 HU. Neither of these times did I move down limits.
My new plan is to have a starting BR of 4000 playing .50 1 HU with RB of course.

Whether this is right or wrong I write a lot when I respond to you guys posts, if you disagree with what I write or can spot a hole in my game by anything that I say, please PM me, I will message you back and I will have a discussion with you whatever your opinion of a hand or situation is. I love to talk poker I could do it for hours literally. Everyone on here wants to make money playing poker, so lets find the fish and help eachother. I am a huge fan of constrctive criticism and I need help. Heres to never going broke again!

My first question, because I am currently not playing online and will only start with a sufficient BR, has to do with a live game that I was recently playing. This has to do with bet sizing, which I beleive is a huge tell and is far underrated and understudied, is that is a word. Here goes guys.

The game is all loose passive with all effective stacks of over 150bb each for the people involved with this hand. I had 250BB.

MP I call with 22.
Button Calls
SB completes.
BB raises to 12.
All calls.

(48) flop: J 7 2 Rainbow
BB bets 35.
I call.
fold, fold

(118) turn: 10
BB bets 70.
I raise to 185.
He folds with around 180-190 left behind him.

Where did I go wrong and why.

I would say he had nothing and was making a c-bet on the turn hoping to fold you out.

Either that or he was scared you made your straight on the turn, however live players are loose enough to not fold AA - QQ there anyway, so morel likely he had nothing and wanted to buy the flop on the turn.

Dont think too much into it, i often think "why do i get called here when i bluff, im representing a set, how could he call that with top pair"

And then in the exact same spot i do the same thing with a set and they fold. More often then not its not because you neccesarily did something wrong (although sometimes it is) but its because they happened to not have had a strong enough hand THAT time.

Seeing as your asking this question, I sense that you aren't the most skilled player at post-flop and would recommend that you wouldn't get tricky. You'll just end up confusing yourself.

Like I said my whole table including him was loose passive. If you have ever played in a Hard Rock casino, (esp in Tampa) this is the closest game that I can relate it to. I was by far the most aggressive player at the table.

I don't think that he would have the presence of mind to 2 barrel the turn with air. And it would be air in the sense of a pair lower than tens or two overs. Therefore I put him on queens or up. Also back to the loose passive I dont think that he would 3 bet AJ so I didn't put him on ace jack, only queens and up.

I think I should have raised the flop, but to how much and why; would a turn call be a bad play? I have come to the conclusion in my mind that he made a great laydown and tossed kings or queens. Aces would have been felted, 9s- would have been checked on the turn. Unless he just felt like making a play at the young kid at the table because I had apparently been playing the "bully" at the table.

Jordan I just have a strong opinion on your question. Dont take it personal. If you had a strong opinon on this hand, I would listen. Not to mention I actually am weak post and am looking to get much better, so yeah, contribute something.

I really disagree with your analysis of live players. I play alot of live, and i can tell you, barely any live player doesnt get it in with QQ-AA on that turn. Its just THAt reason i play live.

I think at best he has an A10 here that he fires on the turn. I realyl do not think your turn raise folds out any overpairs or perhaps even AJ. You said it yourself, they are loose....they dont fold draws, they dont fold TP, and certainly no overpairs.

I say your reading too much into it, and you folded out a significantly worse hand then you give credit too.

the only other way you could of MAYBE extracted more value, althogh i doubt it, is to flat the turn and hope he fires the river (although if he has any sense he will realise his behind when you call the turn bet).

But id be quite happy with my paly there, by not raising the flop, you extracted another 70 on the turn.

Hes loose pre-passive post flop, and would not two barrel ace ten on the turn. This is why I think he was strong. Min raising the flop is my second instinct.I agree with you that calling on the turn is the best play. Any help is still appreciated but calling seems like it would have been the right play.

sounds like you have a pretty solid approach to how you want to learn this game. glad to have you.

on your hand- in live play, i would typically just go ahead and raise the flop in most cases. they'll stack off with JT and other bull ****. when you're playing live, and when you're starting out (learning), try to take more straightfoward approaches to the game to build good fundamentals. Thinking and developing creative lines with no solid foundation can lead to disastrous results.

if i did decide to call the flop (which isn't a bad play really against better players) then i would just go ahead and call the turn as well (though again, raising isn't horrid). yes, the board is getting slightly ugly but i think you show such a tremendous amount of strength given the way this hand played out. i like calling the turn and shoving near any river.

Im glad to have a vet in agreement with me, but what I really wanted to learn from this post was bet sizing, anyone can play a set, but what makes a great player in this scenario is the person who can extract the most value from the set in this scenario. Whoever posts, tell me your opinion on what is the best play on each street, including the size of the bet. Thanks guys I'm crunk.

I think there are a few possible actions on this board and you took one of them that had the potential to extract the most value. A flop of this nature is a two-way flop, perfect for your hand and also perfect for his (in his mind). If we've narrowed his range to overcards or a big pair then this is about as good as it gets with out a set for his big pair.

Flop: Raise to $80

On that line your goal should be to get him to shove and I think the most likely place for him to do this is a RR on the flop. I would raise just above min on the flop, maybe $80, allowing him the opportunity to come back over. It's easy for him to believe you for a Jack. If I have a big pair a Jack-rag-rag-rainbow is an attractive spot to push back. If he's not gonna push here he won't push. Also, many players will call your small raise with two overs because of the pot size $45 call/ $163 pot.

Turn: Shove

A big pair doesn't fold on the flop so if he calls the flop then a shove from you on the turn will press him for his money and will get rid of any lingering overcards.

This scenario yields slightly less than your previous action if he has overs but will more than balance out when against a big pair.

"Who needs cards when you have chips"

Well, guess we can start with you limping 22.