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1/2: 66 on rag flop oop 1/2: 66 on rag flop oop

11-22-2007 , 10:34 AM
No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00/$2.00

MP3 ($201.30) 23/16/2.5/13/(86 hands)
CO ($258.26)
Button ($254.75)
SB ($314.74)
BB ($206.50) (Hero)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6, 6
MP3 raises to 8.0, 3 folds, Hero calls $6.00,

Flop: 3, 7, 4 ( $17 )
Hero checks, MP3 bets $14.00, Hero calls $14.00??,

check/raise?

Turn: 7 ( $45 )
Hero bets $30.00, MP3 calls $30.00,

River: 4 ( $105 )
Hero checks?, MP3 bets $78.00, Hero?

What hand is villain representing here? What hand is he calling with on the turn?
11-22-2007 , 01:41 PM
anyone?
11-22-2007 , 01:47 PM
99+/boat.

sometimes you mite see spades on river, but if hes good hes probably jamming spades on the turn.
11-22-2007 , 01:49 PM
I don't like leading turn. On the river, he could have busted spades or an overpair. I'd fold.
11-22-2007 , 01:54 PM
Salut.

Your flop c/c combined with turn donk is really weird. And basically you're repping a weird range {7x,33,44,56,air} and from villain's POV he's WA/WB with {TT+, and sometimes XsXs} here. And once you check the river he probably feels like you were FOS and he decides to vbet TT+ and sometimes bluf XsXs but I think you have to fold.

I don't like your line in the first place. I'd most likely c/f turn since by now your gutshot outs might not be good and he's very unlikely to ever pay you off when you do hit. Even though it's a card he can 2barrel with some of his range C/F is best.
11-22-2007 , 02:03 PM
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99+/boat.

sometimes you mite see spades on river, but if hes good hes probably jamming spades on the turn.
You really think jamming turn with spades is more EV than just calling, and taking away on rivers where villain checks? If Hero c/c's flop, and bet's turn, he seems to either have a weak hand or a really strong one. It shouldn't be too hard to occassionally steal from the strong ones.
11-22-2007 , 02:21 PM
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99+/boat.

sometimes you mite see spades on river, but if hes good hes probably jamming spades on the turn.
You really think jamming turn with spades is more EV than just calling, and taking away on rivers where villain checks? If Hero c/c's flop, and bet's turn, he seems to either have a weak hand or a really strong one. It shouldn't be too hard to occassionally steal from the strong ones.
ya, not with NFD coz that probably has SD value. Heroes line looks so bluffy, and there arent very many hands that he donks the turn with that he can call a shove with.
11-22-2007 , 04:33 PM
how do you feel about a turn c/r?
11-22-2007 , 05:46 PM
ok, so what's the best line here? check/fold turn and if villain checks behind, bet the river? bet any river?

what do you think about a flop c/r?
11-22-2007 , 05:56 PM
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ok, so what's the best line here? check/fold turn and if villain checks behind, bet the river? bet any river?

what do you think about a flop c/r?
Flop c/r turns your hand into a bluff, so do it with a hand with more equity vs his range.
11-23-2007 , 01:47 AM
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99+/boat.

sometimes you mite see spades on river, but if hes good hes probably jamming spades on the turn.
You really think jamming turn with spades is more EV than just calling, and taking away on rivers where villain checks? If Hero c/c's flop, and bet's turn, he seems to either have a weak hand or a really strong one. It shouldn't be too hard to occassionally steal from the strong ones.
ya, not with NFD coz that probably has SD value. Heroes line looks so bluffy, and there arent very many hands that he donks the turn with that he can call a shove with.
yeah, but the ones where he does we're pretty crushed. On the other hand, we can just bluff him on the river pretty effectively if he checks.
11-23-2007 , 01:56 AM
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Flop c/r turns your hand into a bluff, so do it with a hand with more equity vs his range.
Yeah, I used to argue this to the death...but I've started doing it more often because a)we almost always have a hard time getting to showdown if he's any good and b)I just like c/r bluffing a lot.

Makes getting paid off when we actually have a set much easier too.

      
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