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03-04-2012 , 09:34 PM
always forget what the hotkey is to turn off auto muck
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03-05-2012 , 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by guimz
Are u saying you would C/R in his shoes and then call a 3B on the flop in this situation?
probably

it doesnt seem bad anyway
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03-05-2012 , 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by tvidi
Found this one from Vektor



How did you grind your roll? Did you use BR management? What are your obstacles now, expect than lose all your all-ins where you are favorite?
a: I ran up 1k into 176k via tournies and plo then blew it all because I got too confident. My obstacle now is that I have completely lost my confidence in my game.

b: sincerely appreciate the advice from those who are kind enough to give a level-headed stance

c: I'm not attention whoring at all, just in a really bad place mentally. Things are getting better slowly, for those of you who are complete dicks to me and rag on me I don't really care, it doesn't bother me. I realize 100% what it seems like from your side and some of my posts are typed out from a ridiculously tilted frame of mind, in reality I just needed to vent and it's a combo of life being stressful(my school workload is insane, car is busted etc. etc.) running bad and not playing my best that has created the perfect storm of stress.
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03-05-2012 , 02:40 AM
It's just that hands like these happen to me non-stop. I haven't won a single one in weeks, there's only so many you can take in a row. There's only so many 7 outters a man can handle before you start to lose your mind. I'm being straight up honest, I haven't won a single one of these in a long long time and I need the money, that's the worst part. There's this feeling that grows where you feel cursed because you can't win one all in, it's weird, to go so many days without one winning day starts to weigh on you a lot. I understand there's variance but I've gone so long without a single uptick in my favor that it just starts to gnaw at me, like I get it in with a decent hand and just have this sick feeling where I know I'm going to lose and I do. I know it's a defeatist attitude but it's where I'm at because I mentally prep every time, try to be confident, tell myself to play tight not make bad calls and it just never ends.



    Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 4 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12060812

    SB: $12.16 (48.6 bb)
    BB: $30.23 (120.9 bb)
    Hero (CO): $27.64 (110.6 bb)
    BTN: $37.27 (149.1 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with J 9 9 6
    Hero raises to $0.75, BTN folds, SB calls $0.65, BB calls $0.50

    Flop: ($2.25) 9 2 4 (3 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.50, SB calls $1.50, BB raises to $8.15, Hero raises to $26.89 and is all-in, SB folds, BB calls $18.74

    Turn: ($57.53) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: ($57.53) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $57.53 pot ($1 rake)
    Final Board: 9 2 4 5 3
    SB mucked and lost (-$2.25 net)
    BB showed 3 2 9 A and won $56.53 ($28.89 net)
    Hero showed J 9 9 6 and lost (-$27.64 net)



    Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.

    Last edited by vektor; 03-05-2012 at 02:46 AM.
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    03-05-2012 , 03:51 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by crashwhips
    Start making tons of bad calls too and watch it soar. :/
    Sounds like a great idea ^^
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by guimz
    You did it for the best. Don't forget you need stronger hands to call than to barrel.
    True.
    I'll have to keep a decent river call efficiency if i want my new style to work.
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    03-05-2012 , 04:27 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by vektor
    a: I ran up 1k into 176k via tournies and plo then blew it all because I got too confident. My obstacle now is that I have completely lost my confidence in my game.

    b: sincerely appreciate the advice from those who are kind enough to give a level-headed stance

    c: I'm not attention whoring at all, just in a really bad place mentally. Things are getting better slowly, for those of you who are complete dicks to me and rag on me I don't really care, it doesn't bother me. I realize 100% what it seems like from your side and some of my posts are typed out from a ridiculously tilted frame of mind, in reality I just needed to vent and it's a combo of life being stressful(my school workload is insane, car is busted etc. etc.) running bad and not playing my best that has created the perfect storm of stress.
    i'm sure many people would feel for you a lot more, if you would post a graph which shows you running bad. literally anyone who has played plo for more than a week can post a series HH's like you do, it's nothing that is not happening to others.

    i'm sorry but you need to understand how this forum works if you want more

    i know of many people who started the year dozens of buy-ins below ev so it happens. to big thing is to learn how to deal with. the wrong way is sobe in misery and self-pity, because that's not gonna help anything. the correct way is to analyze your game and find possible leaks and how to deal with variance. you do realize that variance played a major role in your upswing as well, not only on downswing?

    Last edited by napsus; 03-05-2012 at 04:33 AM.
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    03-05-2012 , 06:49 AM
    If what you're saying is true, then wow. Having won 176k, playing highstakes.. And now grinding PLO25? Didn't you put anything aside?
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    03-05-2012 , 08:32 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by napsus
    you do realize that variance played a major role in your upswing as well, not only on downswing?
    Vektor, this is not true. We all know you are a young god who ran it up only by pure skill, and now is losing in completely standard spots because on bad luck.
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    03-05-2012 , 08:36 AM
    can't believe the story about the run-up and run-in against jman until we know your sn, vektor
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    03-05-2012 , 08:54 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S
    probably

    It doesnt seem bad anyway
    Think it's pretty bad but what do I know (no sarcasm inside).
    I wouldn't do it with less than top set but maybe we don't face the same field.
    The field in the site i'm playing at is really mostly passive player.
    When they C/R they have the nuts 90% of the time, they don't raise with weak 2 pairs etc.
    It is then very profitable to be aggressive post but when you face too much action it's better to fold without a very decent+ hand.
    In this spot I'm never raising all in with naked AA for that reason and pbly jamming sets+ redraws, made str8's or 89TX against which he's in pretty ugly shape.
    Maybe we don't face the same field at all
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    03-05-2012 , 09:07 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by roggo
    Vektor, this is not true. We all know you are a young god who ran it up only by pure skill, and now is losing in completely standard spots because on bad luck.
    Roggo your avatar makes me feel sick.
    I wanna puke when I look at it
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    03-05-2012 , 09:11 AM
    i have the exact opposite feeling. i wanna go back to walking street and get crunk
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    03-05-2012 , 09:19 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jabonator
    If what you're saying is true, then wow. Having won 176k, playing highstakes.. And now grinding PLO25? Didn't you put anything aside?
    Jab... come on mate. I ****ed Eva Longoria in the ass, true story. No pics/graph though, sorry. You're just gonna have to take my word for it.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by napsus
    i'm sure many people would feel for you a lot more, if you would post a graph which shows you running bad. literally anyone who has played plo for more than a week can post a series HH's like you do, it's nothing that is not happening to others.

    i'm sorry but you need to understand how this forum works if you want more

    i know of many people who started the year dozens of buy-ins below ev so it happens. to big thing is to learn how to deal with. the wrong way is sobe in misery and self-pity, because that's not gonna help anything. the correct way is to analyze your game and find possible leaks and how to deal with variance. you do realize that variance played a major role in your upswing as well, not only on downswing?
    This. I really think he should get banned, he's always cluttering up the thread with misery, complaining, negativity and most likely blatant lies.

    I'm not saying it's impossible that it's true. All I'm saying is that given the information available, it's not even worth considering for now. We've had so many guys on here trying to build a reputation based on f4ck all. Don't we ever learn?
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    03-05-2012 , 09:40 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CZI
    Jab... come on mate. I ****ed Eva Longoria in the ass, true story. No pics/graph though, sorry. You're just gonna have to take my word for it.



    This. I really think he should get banned, he's always cluttering up the thread with misery, complaining, negativity and most likely blatant lies.

    I'm not saying it's impossible that it's true. All I'm saying is that given the information available, it's not even worth considering for now. We've had so many guys on here trying to build a reputation based on f4ck all. Don't we ever learn?
    Hence if.
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    03-05-2012 , 09:42 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by guimz
    You shouldn't muck em! You should show your hand period ^^
    CTRL + d. If im not mistaken. I'd never show here tho
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    03-05-2012 , 09:45 AM
    meh just fwiw i believe vektor is telling the truth about his past, and what he believes is the truth about how he currently runs.

    i just kind of think unless you are <$50k under aiev at low/mid stakes then you arent really running badly at all.
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    03-05-2012 , 10:11 AM
    vektor obviously has no concept of BRM

    which explains the possibility of such a heater and downfall along with the 'running bad'

    don't you think goign to 176k was running good?

    You are probably even and lost that money because you were out of your depth. If you bluffed a 56k pot against mr sweets.... I bet you are up on EV in terms of BB for sure and maybe $

    basically you are an idiot, but after such a learning experience you shhould be humbled by now instead of being stuck in this cycle of negative ego

    any sane person, any decent poker player that isn't super loaded, would have cashed out and grinded up from something like 20k playing plo200

    I mean what are you playing now? 2 tables of plo25? And posting 1 gut shot means something?
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    03-05-2012 , 11:23 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S
    meh just fwiw i believe vektor is telling the truth about his past, and what he believes is the truth about how he currently runs.

    i just kind of think unless you are <$50k under aiev at low/mid stakes then you arent really running badly at all.
    also think it's believable.

    It doesn't take much reading between the lines of his last post to get "bink donkament, sit at nosebleeds and run good for a bit, then crash"
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    03-05-2012 , 11:53 AM
    Today in a nutshell:


      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BTN: $73.18 (146.4 bb)
      SB: $48.50 (97 bb)
      BB: $95.59 (191.2 bb)
      Hero (UTG): $57.62 (115.2 bb)
      MP: $94.46 (188.9 bb)
      CO: $127.73 (255.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with K K 6 8
      Hero raises to $1.75, MP calls $1.75, 3 folds, BB calls $1.25

      Flop: ($5.50) 2 5 K (3 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $3.04, MP calls $3.04, BB raises to $14.24, Hero calls $11.20, MP folds

      Turn: ($37.02) 4 (2 players)
      BB bets $35.35, Hero raises to $41.63, BB calls $6.28

      River: ($120.28) Q (2 players)

      Results: $120.28 pot ($2.50 rake)
      Final Board: 2 5 K 4 Q
      BB showed 3 T 9 T and won $117.78 ($60.16 net)
      Hero showed K K 6 8 and lost (-$57.62 net)
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      03-05-2012 , 12:59 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Mt.FishNoob
      vektor obviously has no concept of BRM

      which explains the possibility of such a heater and downfall along with the 'running bad'

      don't you think goign to 176k was running good?

      You are probably even and lost that money because you were out of your depth. If you bluffed a 56k pot against mr sweets.... I bet you are up on EV in terms of BB for sure and maybe $

      basically you are an idiot, but after such a learning experience you shhould be humbled by now instead of being stuck in this cycle of negative ego

      any sane person, any decent poker player that isn't super loaded, would have cashed out and grinded up from something like 20k playing plo200

      I mean what are you playing now? 2 tables of plo25? And posting 1 gut shot means something?
      I was actually under EV when I was at my highest point. I was humbled a long time ago, you think I'm bragging about losing so much money? All I'm doing is letting out steam. I would love to post a graph but my pt3 records every single hand as a loss win or lose and every all in as -100% ev because it's broken so my EV and losses go straight down. It broke right after the update that came out after Christmas. Something about the new HH's broke it. It's kind of comical too, I'd call bull**** on me too with that kind of story "I run so bad, can't post graph because my tracker doesn't work"

      Overall I know I'm not an idiot, got a scholarship in an extremely difficult university program (geophysics), but that one mental lapse 6 months ago is haunting me.
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      03-05-2012 , 01:22 PM
      under AIEV* perhaps

      you are an idiot for not using decent BRM, but I suppose that is what is haunting you. And you shouldn't be bothered about running bad if you are experienced poker player because all it should ever mean is moving down a stake or two, unless it is something especially sick

      Anyway move on, you are still lucky, think about the good luck in life, poker just a little part of it.
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      03-05-2012 , 01:39 PM
      I'm pretty sure one of the 25PLO regs would have PTRed vektor's Stars name and gone oh hey, this guy has played 25/50 before... wtf??? And then come post ITT about it. Since that hasn't happened yet I am highly suspect of his story, not to mention I dont recall any mention of a new fish in the HS thread in NVG or any of the daily updates on HSDB.
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      03-05-2012 , 01:46 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by vektor
      I would love to post a graph but my pt3 records every single hand as a loss win or lose and every all in as -100% ev because it's broken so my EV and losses go straight down.
      There ya go!

      http://****************/projects/fpdb/files/

      PLUS: HEM has a trial period.

      You're welcome!
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      03-05-2012 , 02:12 PM
      http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/16...-trial-115744/

      Fairly certain that PT3 is working for other people and has nothing to do with a site update. Reinstall or update it.

      I do believe that you have fallen from lofty heights but I do not believe that you are able to tell how bad you're running EV wise when you admit yourself that you have no working tracking software.

      Vent all you want but when you throw around phrases like "lose every all in", everyone in here with common sense knows you're exaggerating and only remembering the losses and not the wins.
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      03-05-2012 , 02:39 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by vektor
      I was actually under EV when I was at my highest point. I was humbled a long time ago, you think I'm bragging about losing so much money? All I'm doing is letting out steam. I would love to post a graph but my pt3 records every single hand as a loss win or lose and every all in as -100% ev because it's broken so my EV and losses go straight down. It broke right after the update that came out after Christmas. Something about the new HH's broke it. It's kind of comical too, I'd call bull**** on me too with that kind of story "I run so bad, can't post graph because my tracker doesn't work"

      Overall I know I'm not an idiot, got a scholarship in an extremely difficult university program (geophysics), but that one mental lapse 6 months ago is haunting me.
      vektor... I think I played you ages ago. We played plo 400 at poker4ever. I think it was you...
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