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04-14-2015 , 09:50 AM
    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #35943881

    BTN: $10 (100 bb)
    SB: $18.45 (184.5 bb)
    Hero (BB): $11.20 (112 bb)
    UTG: $23.01 (230.1 bb)
    MP: $19.42 (194.2 bb)
    CO: $8.80 (88 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q K 7 A
    3 folds, BTN raises to $0.35, SB raises to $1.05, Hero calls $0.95, BTN calls $0.70

    Flop: ($3.15) A 5 5 (3 players)
    SB bets $1.15, Hero calls $1.15, BTN folds

    Turn: ($5.45) 4 (2 players)
    SB bets $2.20, Hero calls $2.20

    River: ($9.85) 9 (2 players)
    SB bets $7.07, Hero calls $6.80 and is all-in




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    Don't play with thats, so no real info.
    Considered the small flop bet weak, expected either same hand AK, Kings or weaker.
    Turn bet, didn't change much for my feeling of the hand.
    River made it tougher for me, did find the bet polarizing to either Nuts or nothing.
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    04-14-2015 , 09:58 AM
    The flop bet shouldn't really mean weakness - if he has AAxx why would he bet more? It's a good bet size with his whole range so you can't really read a whole lot into it IMO.

    This whole spot is very player dependant and comes down to what you think of his 3bet range and if he's capable of barrelling off here with air or a bad ace or whatever, also if he can have many 5xxx hands and be value betting them.

    Vs an unknown at PLO10 I would assume that they are a) more weighted towards AAxx in their 3bet range and b) less likely to fire 3 barrels with air. So I guess call flop and fold turn might be best as ugly as it is.

    I think I prefer 4betting pre too.
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    04-14-2015 , 10:14 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Roy
    The flop bet shouldn't really mean weakness - if he has AAxx why would he bet more? It's a good bet size with his whole range so you can't really read a whole lot into it IMO.

    This whole spot is very player dependant and comes down to what you think of his 3bet range and if he's capable of barrelling off here with air or a bad ace or whatever, also if he can have many 5xxx hands and be value betting them.

    Vs an unknown at PLO10 I would assume that they are a) more weighted towards AAxx in their 3bet range and b) less likely to fire 3 barrels with air. So I guess call flop and fold turn might be best as ugly as it is.

    I think I prefer 4betting pre too.
    +1 to this

    Tricky situation tho. We'll have some 5x here but honestly having an A seems better cause of blockers. Your bet-size reading as Roy says is definitely bad - if I had AA there I'd be betting that amount (and same with bluffs) w/o reads and vs someone you've pegged as aggressive it's probably OK to call down.

    re. 4betting: Again, vs any SB who is 3betting a good amount our hand is a nice 4bet-candidate.
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    04-14-2015 , 10:35 AM
    Thanks for the input.

    I had a blocker for aces, which made it less likely in my perception to be up against aces. Personally I would bet aces more half to 2/3 pot, so took that in consideration.
    Wouldn't the turn bet be bigger with 5x?

    Won't 4-betting into 2 unknows make you only get called when beat?
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    04-14-2015 , 11:42 AM
    Sometimes when we 4bet we'll run into aces but there's a lot of good situations that can occur when we 4bet a hand like this. Lets take villains actual hand here - QQ67ds. We 4-bet and villain flats and then c/f a T52r flop thinking we have aces. Maybe he 3-bet a similar hand and just flats 4-bet then folds on a lot of boards where he actually has more than enough equity vs our hand. With this hand we also have good equity vs his higher rundowns that he would 3-bet.

    If we only 4b with aces then villain will almost never make a mistake vs us in a 4b pot. It also means villain can get away with light 3-betting bc he doesn't have to be worried about being 4b often.

    Also, when we just flat the 3b with this hand, there are a good number of situations post-flop where we end up folding incorrectly that would have been very +ev for us had we 4b. (paired boards/rainbow board we miss) Then there are also flops we hit but have to fold due to bad relative position. eg. Q9x with a FD that isn't ours (or even rainbow)... we can GII vs one but if SB leads we are in awkward situation with BTN still to act.

    In general when we are cold calling OOP in these situations we want hands easy to play that either smash the flop or miss it completely.
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