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02-27-2016 , 06:55 PM

Mindead

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[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25, $0.05 ante Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $33.55 (134.2 bb)
BB: $62.91 (251.6 bb)
UTG: $74.29 (297.2 bb)
Hero (MP): $25 (100 bb)
CO: $25.10 (100.4 bb)
BTN: $57.24 (229 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A

UTG raises to $1.15, Hero calls $1.15, 4 folds

Flop: ($2.95) K

(2 players)
UTG bets $2.82, Hero calls $2.82

Turn: ($8.59) 2

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $7, UTG calls $7

River: ($22.59) 6

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero ?

Villain 53/24/300hands

How do yo play turn and river in general?

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02-27-2016 , 07:04 PM

OmahaFanatical4

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I vote give up; he almost certainly got at least two pair and he's a loose player.

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02-27-2016 , 08:37 PM

thsheriff

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Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 199

Give up +1 as played. Worst case scenario you're dead and best case scenario you're a pretty big dog. I don't think this spot is close enough to need consultation.

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02-27-2016 , 09:21 PM

OmahaFanatical4

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Just to be clear I was referring to the river with my comment.

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02-27-2016 , 09:32 PM

thsheriff

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My extreme bad. Didn't read that correctly.

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02-27-2016 , 09:35 PM

Newbie McPokerson

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I dont like the turn bet personally because you aren't getting alot of hands to fold if they are such a loose player.

Given that, if you bet that turn you are repping a flush.... so you need to continue repping the flush. Not only for the fold, but you will let the players know you can bluff like that, so next time you get value out of your flush.

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02-28-2016 , 12:16 PM

NMcNasty

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Bet turn / bet river and bet turn / check river are both viable lines. But as everyone has said, usually not bluffing vs a loose player is better.

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02-28-2016 , 03:06 PM

F_Ivanovic

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Bet turn and check river is not a viable line - it's terrible. We aren't folding out enough better hands with a single bet.

Either check turn or bet/bet.

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02-28-2016 , 03:12 PM

Mindead

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The issue I see here is his size tell on the flop. He likely has a strong range set and 2pair heavy, he knows there are a lot of Straight draws on the flop, so he should check/call a lot on the turn with his 2pairs and sets.

Knowing that, I think betting the turn is just bad because we have few FE on that street, and betting the turn with few FE thinking about betting the river without at least one diamond on our hand, and being a loose player who could call us again specially in any card that doesn't complete possible straights or just few of it, looks spewy.

Checking the turn looks the better for me now

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02-28-2016 , 03:35 PM

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rulaZ

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What about check turn and bet river for repping a weak flush, getting a free card and easy fold if he bets river? Not standard but interesting imo.

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02-28-2016 , 03:58 PM

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F_Ivanovic

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Originally Posted by rulaZ

What about check turn and bet river for repping a weak flush, getting a free card and easy fold if he bets river? Not standard but interesting imo.

A 53/24 likely isn't going to give you credit for a weak flush and will still be calling all his 2 pairs/sets providing the river doesn't bring an obvious straight card. Apart from maybe a 7 (and a 6) all other cards give us a straight so we don't need to bluff anyway.

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02-29-2016 , 11:31 AM

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NMcNasty

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Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic

Bet turn and check river is not a viable line - it's terrible. We aren't folding out enough better hands with a single bet.

This is a very common spot. Getting a random pair of kings or AA to fold with a single bet is completely normal.

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02-29-2016 , 01:53 PM

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F_Ivanovic

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Originally Posted by NMcNasty

This is a very common spot. Getting a random pair of kings or AA to fold with a single bet is completely normal.

Yeah - in spots where we can actually put villain on AA (or a pair of kings? => not sure how many random k's there are - most k's opening UTG here will have some draw to go with them) fairly often. Here, AA or a random K only makes up a small part of his range (single raise pre UTG and then pot into a pretty wet board)

Villain just has far too many hands he is x/c with OTT for one bet to be profitable.

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03-01-2016 , 01:02 AM

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Minsk

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Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic

Bet turn and check river is not a viable line - it's terrible. We aren't folding out enough better hands with a single bet.

Either check turn or bet/bet.

This.

In general, but I suppose there is also a player type and dynamics where bet/check is fine.

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03-02-2016 , 04:40 PM

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pucmo

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Other than what you think the UTG has, this to me seems like a very classic situation where you could be partly drawing to the flush draw also, just that this may not be the right situation for it. But when it is, the turn bet is correct, and then, for balance, follow some of them on the river. The mere double barreling must think the opponent won't take the heat often enough.

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