Not sure if this belongs here, or Poker Theory.

I'm curious to know what kind of win/lose rates you should expect calling 3Bets, and 4Bets. I was running a bunch of filters in my PT3, and realized I'm bleeding tons of money calling 3 and 4 bets. I just started playing 6 max PLO (60k sample size) so I know these numbers are not close to accurate, but I'd like to know if it's possible to have a win rate in this situation, or If we're just trying to lose less than if we just folded to every 3Bet.

Calling 3 Bets -125BB/100 (1k sample size)
Calling 4 Bets -400BB/100 (225 sample size)

Thanks.

* Couldn't really figure out how to accurately separate IP, and OOP, so i left them as one.

You probably want to make sure that you are filtering the 3b pots for pots that you have raised and pots that you are cold calling.

Also to keep in mind that if you raised and folded every time instead of calling the 3b than you would be -150BB/100 (assuming you raise to 3bb preflop). And when folding to 4bs you would probably 3b to 9bb so that would be 450BB/100hands.

Would be interested in others stats and thoughts, not in front of my HEM at the moment. I would think that when calling a 3b you should be able to bridge that gap and get closer to positive figure but sure that calling 4b is going to be a negative number but should be able to improve on the number if we just folded to 4bets.

Good point arukdinme.


Raise/Call 3B -100BB/100 (883 sample size)
Cold Call 3B - 440BB/100 (110 sample size)

Also, I am folding to 60% of 3Bets. Figured that's pretty relevant.

Mine was -18bb/100 calling 3bet and -330bb/100 calling 4bets over last 65k hand with a win rate overall of 12bb/100 (PLO25)

this is a ridiculously high number

Yeah, anything above 10% probably getting too high.

This is a weird stat to be looking at... I had to create a new report in pt4.

I would guess it's normal to be losing in these spots, you just have too lose less than if you folded I guess.

This seems to be right in the range that most of the regulars at 50PLO fold to 3Bets from my experience.

In your opinion what is a typical fold to 3Bet %?

I find it hard to believe that vs anyone competent, when we're OOP, that we can call with 90% of our opening range, and do better than just losing our initial open of 3bb.

idk 15-20% overall could be good to begin with
much more important to look at it positionally and to make necessary adjustments to opening and folding to 3bets

anything over 30% is leaking imo

My mistake. I didn't realize PT3 includes all the times you posted a blind, and there was a 3Bet and you folded as "folded to 3Bet". After revisiting my HUD, I realized that I just couldn't be folding that much.

Turns out I fold to 3Bets 29%
and am losing -62BB/100 when I call 3bets.

Total noob here, and I haven't used HEM or PT in a long ass time, but should you filter between pots that you played ip and oop? Probably will help you find your leaks a lot more. I play a lower stake, but I rarely play 3! pots oop unless I've got a really nice hand.

Should my 3! calling range oop be close to my UTG opening range? What types of hands should I be:

1) opening UTG?
2) 3! from CO/BTN?
3) calling a 3! from UTG to a BTN raise?
4) calling a 3! from BTN to a BB raise?