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Yesterday , 08:15 PM
It's a live $5/$10 PLO game. Action has been loose but not insane, lots of straddling, blind raises, etc. The main villain is LAG and has $1800. Rest of table has $800+.

PRE-FLOP ($35 = $5 SB + $10 BB + $20 UTG blind raise):
4 players limp for $20.
Main villain in SB raises to $145.
Hero in BB calls with Q J T T.
3 other players call.
God bless live poker.

FLOP (~$720): T 6 2
Villain in SB pots.
Hero?

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Some considerations include:
  • Villain's range. JJxx or some other overpair, maybe 66xx or 22xx, T6xx (e.g. T986). Villain is LAG but not a spew monkey. Very few draws, except to higher sets, gutshot, maybe a T-high inner wrap. Villain is pretty much committed. This favors fast playing.
  • SPR. It's about 1.1 at my action. This favors fast playing, right?.
  • Other villains' ranges and how they interact with the board. They have the same range as main villain plus a LOT of air balls.
  • How other players will perceive my play. Raising is obviously super strong as main villain is basically committed. This strongly favors slow playing as I want them to misread my play for Txxx, an overpair, or a wrap and I desperately want 66xx and 22xx to ship.
  • Position. I'm not in a great one, so this favors fast playing, too?
  • Board texture. Pretty dry. Very few scare cards for me other than an Ace. This favors slow playing.

Questions:
(1) What would you do? Why?
(2) What is the minimum change to board, stack size, position, number of players, etc. that would make you change your mind or at least make it a harder decision?
(3) Any general principles for thinking about slow playing vs fast playing?
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Yesterday , 10:42 PM
This isn’t close
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Yesterday , 10:47 PM
Shove is the main play but I might just call depending how fishy the guys behind me are. I don't think one option is significantly better than the other.
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Yesterday , 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle
This isn’t close
Sorry, not understanding. What do you do?

And would your decision be the same on a flop of T 2 2? Or if the stacks were triple?
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Yesterday , 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by c double
Shove is the main play but I might just call depending how fishy the guys behind me are. I don't think one option is significantly better than the other.
What convinces you that shoving is the main play but that it's somewhat close?
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Yesterday , 11:29 PM
Easiest jam.

Doesn't matter if they all fold.
Main V isn't ever folding once he pots this flop for only 1000 more.

720 or 800 isn't a difference to the rest of the table. I don't think you want action besides main v.

Once others call they have wrap or 2p/sets. We block t6, then 66/22 are a bit fishy calling preflop.
789x probably shows up the most.
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Today , 04:49 AM
Call and try to bring the rest of the players in. Sb is gonna shove any turn anyways.

Interested to hear what plo matrix thinks about this hand preflop.
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Today , 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by dangomango
Easiest jam.

Doesn't matter if they all fold...
Main V isn't ever folding once he pots this flop for only 1000 more.

720 or 800 isn't a difference to the rest of the table. I don't think you want action besides main v.

Once others call they have wrap or 2p/sets. We block t6, then 66/22 are a bit fishy calling preflop.
789x probably shows up the most.
Can you explain why I wouldn't want action? What hands other than 789x have substantial equity against me? Or are you saying that hands with substantial equity aren't a big enough part of the field's range?

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Today , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by |^^^_~}{U}{~_^^^|
Can you explain why I wouldn't want action? What hands other than 789x have substantial equity against me? Or are you saying that hands with substantial equity aren't a big enough part of the field's range?
I don't think it makes a difference whether you shove or call vs the rest of the tables. Their stacks are only 800+. 720 vs 800+ isn't much difference.

I already said 789x is the majority of the calling/shoving range for them. 2p+ are a smaller portion.

I guess some whales would call with 678x type hand but if he's calling for 720 he's calling for 800+, there's like no difference.
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Today , 01:55 PM
We slow play in 2 scenarios

1 is we completely lock the board. Hands like Top set with NFD can check. Think a hand like AJJT on a board of J72 two tone and we have both the NFD and BDNFD. Or a hand like AKQJ on KT9 and we have both flush draws also. We just have too much and we can check here.


The other situation is with the nuts on a dry static board at a LOW SPR. This flop is a good example. Pretty static at T62r and no crazy draws and you are at 1 SPR.

That said, this hand in particular isn't strong enough to check. We don't have backup. We would rather check with a hand like ATT9 with 2BDFD or maybe TT98 with 2BDFD as we block straight draws too. We also check less often with sets when we unblock over pairs. We don't want to give too much free equity realization to over pairs that can turn top set and stack us.
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Today , 06:05 PM
Sb has potted putting everyone all in but sb who has 1K more. If we flat we appear weaker and invite the fish in.
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