negative. there's not much room for error in shortstacking besides playing too liberal or conservative. How can you play bad when you can get it AIPF with aces for 500bbs against someone playing his hand blind?

it's just stuff like KKQJds vs AA78ss vs K266r and having the k266 flop quads to win a 8k pot over, and over, and over.

Keep in mind that live PLO plays at around 10-15hands/hour due to having dealers who never learned basic arithmetic, so imagine a 30,000 hand downswing. That's almost a half decade of live play (playing only on weekends).

And also, I never said I consider these players world class. I said they were generally regarded as...

Basically my post was a bit of a rant was based on frustration. Live PLO sucks.

Idk, i guess its just my opinion but shortstacking seems like an all around good strategy, but in omaha which i consider to be a flop game (still believe in hand selection + Position), its usefulness seems slightly lessened, you can limit your losing plays and exploit others alot more easily, and being deeper gives you two bonuses, the obvious, winning more when you get it in, and the not so obvious apparently, the ability to shift between LAG/TAG with the slightest of ease.

You might wanna look into the medium buyin PLO or HA tournaments, they are soft...

"I had pocket queens and pocket jacks, i dont know how i can get it in much better" as he pots in to a single suited ace high board.

You need to push MUUUUCHHHHH wider than AA in a game like that.

yea, just open up to hands that do well in multiway settings like A-rundown suited/doublesuited, ds broadways, rundowns etc.

We did. AKQx, JQ9T, 789T, 4567, KKxxds, etc. We pushed any good multiway equity hand, trust me we were shortstacking correctly.

I don't do it anymore and I've done decent deepstacking, it's just funny that Eihli has been crushed as much as he has slotbooming. We've sat there and done it all as far as double checking equity calcs and hand ranges.

When I say he doesn't get it in behind I'm basically just proving a point. It does happen but it's usually something like 789Tss/ds vs AAxx or KK22ds vs AAxx. Those hands are few and far between and way more times than not he's getting it in way ahead.

I don't do it anymore so maybe Eihli can come in and comment, but it's pretty god damn demoralizing having several nights where you lose 15-20x of these preflop all-ins.

ok so tighten up your preflop range, play more pots in position and reshove in spots where u think your ahead.

Isn't shortstacking in large multiway pots going to exponentially increase your variance? Yes, you have higher equity than any other individual in the pot, but you're also a going to lose an individual hand most of the time. Add in a little run bad with the painfully low number of hands per hour and you have to depressing situation your friend has been going through.

+1

This is what i meant, lol thanks for summarizing (im horrible at it)

Sounds like the Isle of Capri game. I have played it a couple of times. Definitely a short stackers dream.

The problem is that if you cash out, its hard to get back in the game later.

are you ****ing serious bro?

I am in no position to comment on these stakes, but I am curious to hear more thoughts.

Personally I started with a short stack strategy, but it worked better on tighter tables as compared to looser tables.

For a while I thought that there was some implicit collusion factors that made short stacking useless agaist a number of loose opponents. I never completed my investigation.

Also short stacking has the risk of ruin going agaist it, so much higher variace in a live setting.

In addition the bigger mistakes in loose play are from bad reverse implied odds, which short stacks cannot exploit.

Do you have a theoretical analysis of how profitable your strategy is on such tables and the stdev.

Looking forward to uderstanding this better