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02-16-2012 , 07:21 PM

pablosgscr

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Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 80

villain is 19/10.
Is a fold or is a call and why??? And what about raising this type of hands from UTG?
Thanks

Party, $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11895192

SB: $17.34 (69.4 bb)
BTN: $44.43 (177.7 bb)
MP: $44.15 (176.6 bb)
CO: $38.50 (154 bb)
Hero (UTG): $25 (100 bb)
BB: $31.50 (126 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q

Hero raises to $0.75, MP folds, CO calls $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, BB folds

Flop: ($3.25) Q

(4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.50, CO folds, BTN calls $2.50, SB folds

Turn: ($8.25) 7

(2 players)
Hero bets $4, BTN raises to $19.84

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02-16-2012 , 07:28 PM

xaxa

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Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,501

POT!
Also bet more on the turn. Like $6.25.
Never fold this no matter how nitty he might be!!!

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02-16-2012 , 07:29 PM

Crazy_Leo

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Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 599

Getting it in, bet turn bigger in future though

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02-16-2012 , 07:47 PM

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S

What SN is this?

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 29,325

snap get it in

standard would be to bet bigger on turn, but i guess if you think this betsize looks weak and can induce a wider raising range then it may be ok.... but then if that was your plan you wouldnt be posting this, so yeah i guess just bet bigger.

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02-16-2012 , 08:10 PM

Envoy222

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Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 904

I think raising this utg is fine, "feels" like I wouldn't go much wider than this though.
To the people saying get it in what sort of range are we putting him on?
We've only got between 20-25% vs sets.
So is it like sets/turned 2p/2p with draws? Also the fact that we block KK/QQ helps a tonne right?
Sorry bout the hijack just really curious about this spot.

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02-16-2012 , 09:59 PM

pablosgscr

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Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 80

I bet small because I was afraid of being behind because the villain is quite tight and he had 75% fold to CB and he called and raised my turn bet. I don't know if that is a reason to bet small (probably is not) but when he raises me I instantly knew I was behind but I ended up shoving anyway. He had a set of QQ btw. Is his fold to CB a reason to slow down my pace or to think about folding?

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02-17-2012 , 01:14 AM

Elisterre

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Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 104

Probably getting it in here myself. I also bet more on the turn because his range feels draw heavy and I want to charge the maximum. When he raises I either am willing to get it in or folding depending on his aggression and stats. Most people aren't either a semibluff here with a draw cuz u seem weak or a slowplayed nutty hand. If ur stats on him can narrow that one way or the other then u can make a decision.

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02-17-2012 , 01:45 AM

LazurusLong2

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Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,085

Cooler when he shows up with a set of queens or kings. Bet the turn something like $7 and call a shove. He can show up with wraps with fd, 2pr with oesd, pr +wrap and the occasional lower set. Rarely will you be drawing to just the fd. There is all together too much dead money to fold and if you had bet the turn bigger, the decision would be even easier.

We are slightly -ev if villain has a lower set, but the pot is big, sometimes we are ahead with outs that block villains outs.

Never folding.

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02-17-2012 , 02:58 AM

Maffff

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Need more stats on villain to fold this. However, fold to c-bet 75% is very very high. What's this on each street? What's his WTSD? What's his general post flop aggression?

From your description it does actually sound like a fold if he's only raising top two pair or sets on this turn which a lot of nits do.

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02-17-2012 , 04:24 PM

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Jub.

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Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,902

The spr is 7.5 is, so we should pot on the flip, specially 4 way we have a huge hand. On turn as has been said bet bigger, would think he has a strong rap after his flop call so bigger bet the better, it will also allow a small river bet left where he can slew call. As played I call due to us looking weak and we have plenty of equity

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02-17-2012 , 08:02 PM

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tilted4lifemb

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Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 136

Without info on villain I get it in but I do bet 3/4 pot on the turn. I expect to see KK** / QQ** and if so make a note and adjust accordingly in the future.

Getting case-carded happens a lot in plo, and I've stopped thinking "I have blockers" ...

If I had notes on the player that he doesn't raise flops with sets on draw heavy boards, that he will call in spots where more aggro players might raise etc. this would influence my decision.

So get it in and make a note of what he had

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02-17-2012 , 08:11 PM

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keanosdog

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Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 865

Quote:

Originally Posted by pablosgscr

villain is 19/10.
Is a fold or is a call and why??? And what about raising this type of hands from UTG?
Thanks

Hero raises to $0.75, MP folds, CO calls $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, BB folds

Flop: ($3.25) Q

(4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.50, CO folds, BTN calls $2.50, SB folds

Turn: ($8.25) 7

(2 players)
Hero bets $4, BTN raises to $19.84

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Call.

We just simply cannot fold here.

And raise from every postion. This is a premium hand.

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02-17-2012 , 09:05 PM

#13

hackprotech

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Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 763

shove

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02-20-2012 , 05:15 AM

#14

billybeartku

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Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,835

Hmmm I think its a pretty easy shove, no? A lot of times you're free rolling him. A lot of ppl would pot you here with KQxx cuz the turn is safe for their top two-no redraw hands.

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02-20-2012 , 06:30 AM

#15

PLOMonkey

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Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 347

Your half pot bet on the turn looks like a weak followthrough with AK+gutshot or AA and so Villain is probably raising on the bluff/semi Bluff.

If you were betting to induce then VNH, sir. If not please bet more OTT.

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