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02-10-2012 , 08:40 PM

napsus

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Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 9,540

same villain as in the other hand, whale, loose aggro pre, passivish post.
this line good?

$0.25/$0.50 Ante $0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
6 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($191.39)
UTG+1 ($63.89)
napsus (CO) ($252.28)
BTN ($125.40)
SB ($115.15)
BB ($110.60)

Pre-Flop: ($1.35, 6 players) napsus is CO A

UTG raises to $2, 1 fold, napsus raises to $7.35, 3 folds, UTG calls $5.35

Flop: 4

($16.05, 2 players)
UTG checks, napsus bets $11.50, UTG raises to $31, napsus calls $19.50

Turn: 9

($78.05, 2 players)
UTG bets $50.50, napsus calls $50.50

River: 8

($179.05, 2 players)
UTG checks, napsus checks

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02-10-2012 , 08:46 PM

guimz

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,285

I b/f against such player. he is passivish and this board is dry as hell. except for 3456 type of hands... or top set that has us crushed.
If he is the passive post flop player you describe why would he raise flop with air?
Just fold to his raise here...

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02-10-2012 , 11:13 PM

s1`

adept

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 786

Its fun to tempt them into 4betting with a smaller 3bet when you have aces that play well deepstacked & multiway like this, and he will vastly miscalculate how much $$$ you can get in preflop after a small 3bet. I would cbet bigger vs described opponent ~14, flop call is OK. Were you planning on bluffing any rivers? I dont think this is a river to bluff fwiw.

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02-10-2012 , 11:32 PM

guimz

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Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,285

Do you think it makes sense to b14/fold flop or you never consider it?

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02-11-2012 , 01:32 AM

LazurusLong2

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We are never winning when we check behind unless he was a total aggro or just made a really dumb play on the flop. And he should have a hard time folding to a bet giving him about 4 to1 to call on the river. Obvious flop call is good with 2 bdfds. I guess the turn call is ok with implied odds. If he had made any bet on the river, easy fold, but with him checking, kinda makes you want to take a stab. I don't think we are ever ahead, but will he ever fold to a shove????

I think you have to try it. Checking this back just lets him off the hook to easily with two pair hands. It only has to work 1/3 of the time.

And if we are ever ahead, that is a bonus obviously.

Last edited by LazurusLong2; 02-11-2012 at 01:38 AM.

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02-11-2012 , 02:22 AM

ndahlhoff10

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Flop is the only spot that seems very close, but calling is probably the play w/2bds.

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02-11-2012 , 04:39 AM

xaxa

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Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,501

I'de play it the same but i suck playing this deep. No way i b/f this on the flop w/ gs & 2bdfd with so much $ behind ip. Turn is close but i cant resist calling

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02-11-2012 , 04:50 AM

chinz

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We have massive negative implied odds on the flop against his wraps, so I think it's actually really close spot.

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Originally Posted by LazurusLong2

His valuerange on this flop should be almost exclusively sets on this board and stacksizes, and pretty much all T+backdoors bluffcompos either have T9 with straight blockers or straight themself... so what is he c/folding here on this river?

He might fold just barely 1/3 of his hands, but some (I admit, not too many) of those hands we beat anyway so it doesn't mean the bluff is +EV. He'd have to fold one third of the hands we lose to, for bluff to be better than checking.

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02-11-2012 , 04:59 AM

napsus

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yeah sorry the title was supposed to be "flop & turn line"...this was first time playing with the villain, so i thought the flop raise could have been him playing around with me on a ry board since i was cbetting everything in that session and i was especially on his ass 3betting him often preflop. i also thought that he is the type of player that would pot with sets otf

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02-11-2012 , 05:24 AM

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GoGetaRealJob

QuadMasterSupreme

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 7,072

I don't hate the flop peel... and somewhat tempted to shove vs that turn sizing

. You can def make an argument for b/f vs a passive player though

I think it's fine as played, chinz's post was good.

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02-11-2012 , 08:02 AM

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uphigh_downlow

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I fold flop without thinking twice about it. that is if I'm not tilted.

It seems close though, and yet close enough to be a leak.

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02-11-2012 , 08:58 AM

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SomeEvilMothers

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I like the whole line, never folding flop.

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02-11-2012 , 09:03 AM

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SlimyF

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Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,706

Wp.

The only question is can he fold 2 p/set otr, but I wouldn't try it against a whale.

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02-11-2012 , 09:17 AM

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hackprotech

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Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 763

B/f flop for sure. hes raising sets and wrap+pair hands. against both type of hands we are in pretty bad shape on the flop. Im also folding because he will bet big on 90% of turns and even if we pick up a fd we still dont have the right odds to call turn. also dont bluff the river he is c/c for sure.

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