If it's as close as the simulations seem to turn out, I prefer shoving over c/f'ing.

So am I the only one even considering check raising all in with that potsize? -.-

Syntax question: isn't (3%-20%)!AA = (3%-20%)? I thought AA** was top 2.57% of hands.

Yeah that's what I thought as well, which prompted me to check it out in Range Explorer - turns out there's a bunch of AAA* and AA**r hands in it - bunch of really premium KKs and QQs are ranked ahead of them.

Enjoyed this thread - Quad and J.a.o.p definitely two of my favorite posters on here.

those equations seem easy to do in real time

I dont get preflop

sick analysis. ty very much. i also shoved in game but wasnt sure about it.

So obviously profit is determined by how often the pot is stolen. I think this is too variable relative to villain reads/ hero image to solve. I think betting<pot is better and folding if there is heavy action.

Hero range may even be perceived stronger, less like an AA78 or AAT8 without clubs for instance, like making out that hero is trying to lure in dominated hands rather than just trying to steal the pot with max pressure. IF one is going to pot call, then might aswell try to weaken their continuing ranges a little. THat said I believe that check folding is not a good decision after 3bing preflop, we should be able to fold out alot of hands that we really do not wish to be in the pot like QQ**cc combos but maybe pull in hands that have perceived equity vs aa** but are actually not doing so well.

flat pre pot/call

I quite like squeezing with 2 pair ds but this you're going to average 3 or so players on the flop and your hand plays like garbage, so flat. Flop is close, I'd check and then potentially jam it all in.

late high-five!