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02-19-2009 , 11:16 AM

uphigh_downlow

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Are u serious?
What the hell is going on here?
Only read is that I've been caught (semi)bluffing by the CO a few hands ago, with KKxx on a KQJTss flop and turn against his AQxxss. River was checked around after no improvement to either side.( This isnt much of a read anyway, but oh well!!)

Poker Stars $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $145.05
BTN: $138.45
SB: $200.00
BB: $264.20
UTG: $204.70
Hero (MP): $120.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is MP with 8

UTG calls $2, Hero raises to $8, CO calls $8, 3 folds, UTG calls $6

Flop: ($27.00) 2

(3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $18, CO raises to $40, UTG calls $40, Hero is completely thrown off.,

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02-19-2009 , 11:33 AM

antneye

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Im a struggling N00B, so bear with me if this is wrong.

If I am doing the math properly the pot is now $125 and it's only $22 more to call. seeing as we are about 10-1 to boat up and we are getting about 6:1 we really need some implied odds to call here. Our call would bring the pot to about $150?? Do we think we can get 2/3 PSB called on turn if we boat up? If so, call. If not, fold.

This really looks like a set is out which probably blocks our outs so I would likely dump this since we are likely worse off than the 10/1 I estimated.

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02-19-2009 , 12:25 PM

CZI

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While CO's range can be pretty wide, UTG should have at least K8. He might even dump that though, depends on the player. More likely he's got a set. This is definately a spot where you wanna throw away your hand. You're not gonna improve often on the turn (11 to 1, and likely less due to the fact that the other players hold a piece of the board) and you're not gonna feel happy about calling a big bet on the turn. That would in fact be bad play. And if you do spike an 8 and get a lot of action, you're gonna see KK here way too often for this play to be profitable.

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02-19-2009 , 12:36 PM

The 1 and only JC

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put all the duckett in and hate yourself later

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02-19-2009 , 02:16 PM

Dap Dippin

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Some stats would really help on the CO here to make this decision a lot easier. Right now I think your biggest problem is UTG. I mean, what on earth is he flatting there oop? Especially with the board being as dry as it is. Shake your head in disgust and just fold.

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02-19-2009 , 02:57 PM

con_leche

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Fold.

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02-19-2009 , 05:29 PM

Silent A

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Yeah, this is a big "wtf?" as far as I'm concerned. In the end, it's highly unlikely they're both behind you and I take solace in the fact that there's a good chance that I'll be able to find out their hands at a showdown.

If you had some mind-bogglingly accurate read that both had K8xx you could try pushing them off with a raise, but you're too shallow.

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02-19-2009 , 06:18 PM

abscr

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Fold, even though you're throwing away the best hand sometimes.

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02-19-2009 , 07:37 PM

overmyhead

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Folding can not be good here, you are getting almost 6 to 1 with top two. At least peel and see what happens on the turn.

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02-19-2009 , 07:48 PM

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Silent A

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Originally Posted by overmyhead

Folding can not be good here, you are getting almost 6 to 1 with top two. At least peel and see what happens on the turn.

Personally, I'm convinced someone is going to smash any turn. It's not the rasie Hero is facing on the flop per se that has me thinking fold.

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02-20-2009 , 12:19 AM

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iggymcfail

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just bet/get it in on the flop unless you're a massive nit, which nobody has ever accused me of being

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02-20-2009 , 01:26 AM

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overmyhead

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Originally Posted by Silent A

Personally, I'm convinced someone is going to smash any turn. It's not the rasie Hero is facing on the flop per se that has me thinking fold.

The way this hand is playing, I think there is a good chance of it checking through on the turn. If it gets jammed, then fold, easy decision.

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02-20-2009 , 01:43 AM

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vyk07

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The bet size and pos of CO really implies here that you are up against K8xx+. As stated above it is the UTG oop call on such a dry board that would have me worried. Although you do have the 1 out of 11 or such odds to boat up on turn, it is highly likely that your 2 opponents are holding a good portion of the board in their hands. Without any prior stats on the two villains, this seems like a fold to me.

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02-20-2009 , 04:32 AM

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uphigh_downlow

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Are diamonds or Q or J improvements that allow us to force the action on the turn? Whats the plan if you peel?

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02-20-2009 , 07:32 AM

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overmyhead

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If I peel and a diamond falls, I'm going with the hand. If a Q or J falls, I will still probably fold if there is heavy betting.

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02-20-2009 , 08:37 AM

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AdmiralAwesome

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Fold or get it in... Not many cards help you on turn. Unless you have a read that UTG is an serious donk, then he must have something good.

Furthermore there are no draws and your not that much at ahead akxx where xx is higher than 8. They do not both have air, your equity is just terrible.

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