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04-07-2008 , 06:53 AM
SB is a good tight player and I'm having a hard time putting him on a range, but if he had the last remaining six then I have to put villain on QQxx, right? This situation comes up a lot in live full ring 5/10 PLO, and it's almost always a fold. Online games, especially 6-max, are much more aggro -- so I'm not sure what to do here.

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

SB: $387.40
BB: $311.10
UTG: $228.00
MP: $141.10
CO: $900.25
Hero (BTN): $202.40

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with 7 Q 6 8
2 folds, CO calls $2, Hero calls $2, SB calls $1, BB checks

Flop: ($8.00) 6 6 Q (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $6, SB calls $6, BB folds, CO raises to $12, Hero calls $6, SB calls $6

Turn: ($44.00) 3 (3 players)
SB checks, CO bets $44, Hero calls $44, SB folds

River: ($132.00) J (2 players)
CO bets $132

Hero is...confused?
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04-07-2008 , 06:56 AM
I probably call the river expecting to see QQxx a lot of the time, rest of the hand looks fine.
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04-07-2008 , 06:59 AM
The Check-Min-Raise tells you he has something, especially gievn that he is playing deep and is more than likely a competent player. I would fold because in my experience the Under-Full is worth winning a small pot or losing a big one.
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04-07-2008 , 07:09 AM
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The Check-Min-Raise tells you he has something, especially gievn that he is playing deep and is more than likely a competent player. I would fold because in my experience the Under-Full is worth winning a small pot or losing a big one.
This is wrong, DUCY? Bonus points for the cliche though.

As far as the OP goes, I'm not really convinced that SB has a 6 here, but I still think folding could be fine depending on your read. Not a lot of players will check/min-raise the flop and pot the turn with less than Q6 here. Even less will pot the river.
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04-07-2008 , 07:09 AM
I fold this if I'm playing well.
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04-07-2008 , 08:04 AM
Who was the CO? The only way you can fold is if the SB never calls the flop with a AA/KK.
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04-07-2008 , 08:06 AM
I shove turn and payoff QQ without breaking a sweat.
Lot of overthinking on this forum.
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04-07-2008 , 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Flip-Flop
I shove turn and payoff QQ without breaking a sweat.
Lot of overthinking on these forums.
lots of posts from you saying people overthink too much.
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04-07-2008 , 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Hattifnatt
lots of posts from you saying people overthink too much.
Yes and I don`t expect the majority of the posters to learn anything from it.
So I see it as a harmless advice, it`s not like the competition will get any better from it.
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04-07-2008 , 09:27 AM
shove.

a QQxx min raise would make more sense coming on the turn. after he's got you a little more invested. he could put you on A6xx and he hit is underfull on the turn or river.
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04-07-2008 , 02:25 PM
If SB is tight, then I don't see him calling your flop lead and BB's min raise with AA/KK. If there is ever a time to fold the 2nd nut boat, this is it. That said, I would just call it in the heat of battle and complain about how coolered I just got.
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04-07-2008 , 02:34 PM
Can't do anything but call here. Looks like a frustrated A-6 to me.
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04-07-2008 , 03:48 PM
im not good enough to fold on the end so I deffo call. You can see A356 type hands that get excited on the turn.

Also - if your gonna play the hand is it not best to pot it from the button preflop and try and get headsup? I normally bin it or pump it to thin the field? Is this bad?
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04-07-2008 , 04:21 PM
Fold unless he is a massive donk.
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04-07-2008 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DaBiggs
shove.

a QQxx min raise would make more sense coming on the turn. after he's got you a little more invested. he could put you on A6xx and he hit is underfull on the turn or river.
I just call, I dont like the shove. Im paying off most of the time here at this limit just not enough hands hat beat you. You could shove the turn but I dont think you get paid by anything but QQxx by a decent player. Call and reload IMO
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04-07-2008 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Sickgambler1
I just call, I dont like the shove. Im paying off most of the time here at this limit just not enough hands hat beat you. You could shove the turn but I dont think you get paid by anything but QQxx by a decent player. Call and reload IMO
not true

A63x or A6Jx is most certainly going to pay you off. why would QQxx pot each bet? likely hit his underfull and is trying to get you off K6xx with the redraw to the bigger fullhouse.
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04-07-2008 , 04:29 PM
call turn + call (or shove) river is much better than shoving turn if you know you will not fold the hand no matter what in this spot most of the time.
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04-07-2008 , 04:41 PM
I think I call this everytime..results?
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04-07-2008 , 04:55 PM
I timed down and called because I had a note on villain saying he was aggro.

My hand was good, he had another 6x boat. SB said he had KK.
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04-07-2008 , 07:23 PM
One of the biggest pots I've ever lost in terms of BB, I think about 700 each, I basically lost because a hugely nitty player called in between on a T66 flop when I had TT and the deep fish in LP had 66.
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04-08-2008 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by TheRempel
One of the biggest pots I've ever lost in terms of BB, I think about 700 each, I basically lost because a hugely nitty player called in between on a T66 flop when I had TT and the deep fish in LP had 66.
I won a big hand this weekend live with just this situation. Board is 855, I have 55 in the CO. It's checked through multiway and the turn is a K.

Someone in EP immediately leads for $250 into the field and MP calls, I min-raise to $500 and BTN cold-calls.

As soon as I see the cold call I'm thinking: FIST PUMP - Someones got KKxx.

Everyone else folds. River blanks, he bets $700, I push."

He immediately starts thinking out loud, saying that if EP hadn't led at the pot he'd insta-muck his hand.

"XXX bet into the field, he has to have a five sometimes -- god damnit, this is how bad I run ... I think I have to call? Yeah, screw it...I call but I know you have quads. So do you have quads?"

"yeah "

"****."
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04-08-2008 , 01:41 AM
he can have JJ6 too

snap call tho
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04-08-2008 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by MYSPACETOM
BTN cold-calls.

As soon as I see the cold call I'm thinking: FIST PUMP - Someones got KKxx.

Everyone else folds. River blanks, he bets $700, I push."
You checked the river to him with quads? This story would sound alot stupider if he had any other type of fullhouse besides KKxx.
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04-09-2008 , 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Divinevert
You checked the river to him with quads? This story would sound alot stupider if he had any other type of fullhouse besides KKxx.
There are a lot of stupid people on this forum. He cold called a bet/call/raise, so he's always got a monster here. I've got all the fives in the deck so that leaves 88xx and KKxx. Way to be ******ed.

What full house could he possibly have that is checking that river? There are only two and they are both overfulls which bet the river.
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04-09-2008 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MYSPACETOM
There are a lot of stupid people on this forum. He cold called a bet/call/raise, so he's always got a monster here. I've got all the fives in the deck so that leaves 88xx and KKxx. Way to be ******ed.

What full house could he possibly have that is checking that river? There are only two and they are both overfulls which bet the river.
so what you're saying is that the villain from this post had QQxx potted it on the turn and the river because you couldn't he didn't put you on quads?
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