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03-25-2011 , 07:45 AM

jimmyhat1000

MSNL HU Champion 2008

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Full Tilt, $2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #8448212

SB: $477.50 (119.4 bb)
BB: $400 (100 bb)
UTG: $824.60 (206.2 bb)
MP: $828.20 (207.1 bb)
Hero (CO): $1,012.50 (253.1 bb)
BTN: $551 (137.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q

UTG folds, MP raises to $14, Hero raises to $48, 3 folds, MP calls $34

Flop: ($102) 3

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $72, MP calls $72

Turn: ($246) 7

(2 players)
MP bets $164, Hero calls $164

River: ($574) A

(2 players)
MP bets $544.20 and is all-in

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Villian is playing 41/24, no real history so far other than ive 3 bet him once or twice in position and he folded both times so maybe he's getting a little suspicious of me.

I can see merit in both calling and shoving the turn but would like to hear other people reasons why they prefer one or the other. River thoughts also appreciated

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03-25-2011 , 08:03 AM

j.a.o.p.

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"I can see merit in both calling and shoving the turn"

i see merit in folding.

river is a snapfold,imo.

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03-25-2011 , 08:27 AM

Vanhaomena

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With a few bucks short of direct odds against a range of nothing but 98xx, while being clearly behind his range, anything but calling is out of the question on the turn. River is an easy fold, especially against some nit who raise/folds anything preflop. Those people always have the nuts when they jam.

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03-25-2011 , 08:32 AM

Alpha Fish

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I don't think it's a clear cut fold on the river, most of his 89xx are 789x and those 3-bet the flop

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03-25-2011 , 08:35 AM

Scar18

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i cant fold river with given info after calling turn

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03-25-2011 , 08:57 AM

Jason Lavallee

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not really sure what your trying to accomplish by shoving the turn

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03-25-2011 , 01:40 PM

j.a.o.p.

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Originally Posted by Vanhaomena

upps,didn`t see that we have a heart draw.
call flop obv

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03-25-2011 , 01:50 PM

urubu111

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why when i 3bet trash flop comes T98? damn

@jimmy, its a pretty easy call imo given action on previous streets + your perceveid range + we have a str8

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03-25-2011 , 04:09 PM

SeaKing

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I would call turn and fold river, certainly if you are 3b Q

you will have similar Q

type hands often enough so that your range is protected and don't need to hero call it with every 4 (67) ** hand you show up with.

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03-25-2011 , 05:03 PM

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jimmyhat1000

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To those that are saying call the river do we call with AAxx if we somehow got there with it?

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03-25-2011 , 05:16 PM

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SeaKing

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I would say no because we no longer block the straight or even have any of the the cards (assuming we have like AAKT) that block the preflop combos that make up the hands we would lose to.

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03-25-2011 , 05:50 PM

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flash75gordon

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Originally Posted by jimmyhat1000

To those that are saying call the river do we call with AAxx if we somehow got there with it?

definitely AA< vast majority of his range≤ 89

There are definitely hands in his range that are in between aces and 89 that he could be betting for value, as a bluff, to get chops to fold, or just out of the pure stubornness of not wanting to c/f with a marginal strength hand.

and what seaking said about not having any blockers to combos of hands that make a straight

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03-25-2011 , 11:54 PM

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HERE_2_gamble_

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id like his turn bet as a bluff, i just cant see many hands thatl show up with that wanna turn into a bluff on this turn so id fold

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03-26-2011 , 12:41 PM

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Zeestein

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cawl cawl cawl

good player should be turning 2p into bluffs here, assuming they think we are pretty transparent pre though if you're 3betting him with this hand they probably don't. So errr.. is this a 'look I 3bet trash!' image post? Cos the more AAxx heavy your range is, the less likely they have you beat.

idk if I call w AAA either, you lose all of the chop equity u might have and still lose to weird combos like KK24hh or something

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