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10-07-2010 , 12:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMagnet
I have a copy yo sell if ur in the UK
Unfortunately im in the .ca

A lot of ppl seem to preech this book and others don't. What's the concensus ? Pump it or dump it?
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10-07-2010 , 01:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sump
What's the name of the book? Could you provide an amazon link if possible? I got a GC for Amazon and I never buy anything from them so I thought hey why not Hwangs book. I am not a beginner though, I have about 25k hands at PLO25-PLO50. I need to change up my game I think I am playing way too face up.
Book 1

Book 2

FWIW (and no offense), but 25k hands is still fairly beginner, IMO. That's like 1-2 months. That said, if you've studied a lot of stuff online, watched videos, etc. maybe you can skip the first book. I'd probably get both though, TBH.

As to the content of the 2nd book, it's really a function of playing styles. The majority here (and I'm not saying it's wrong) seem to be very "having the goods/showdown oriented" and consequently want to player fewer, but bigger pots IP with good hands. Hwang seems to be more "moves oriented" and so he wants to play more hands in position in smaller pots where the price of being wrong isn't as high.

Meshing the two styles is the tricky part, IMO.
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10-07-2010 , 04:48 PM
I feel kind of bad about my first day using PTR Omaha. I mean making 1 BI over 500 hands isn t that terrible right? because thats what the ev says.

Don t remember the last time i thought "**** i really run like a fkn luckbox", but today i did.



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10-07-2010 , 05:02 PM
It would be horrible to fold right?

Full Tilt Poker $10.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (BB): $34.46
UTG: $26.63
MP: $20.40
CO: $23.90
BTN: $20.17
SB: $18.75

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with K 5 9 K
UTG calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.57, UTG calls $0.47, MP calls $0.47

Flop: ($1.76) 3 K 7 (3 players)
Hero bets $1.30, UTG calls $1.30, MP folds

Turn: ($4.36) J (2 players)
Hero bets $3.80, UTG calls $3.80

River: ($11.96) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $5.90, UTG raises to $20.94, Hero calls $15.04

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $53.84
Hero shows Kc 5h 9s Kh
UTG shows 6c 2c As 4s
Hero wins $51.96
(Rake: $1.88)
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10-07-2010 , 05:06 PM
pretty easy river fold imo.
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10-07-2010 , 05:19 PM
2 hands in a row.. annoying.
Poker Stars $10+$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi Tournament - t30/t60 Blinds - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

MP1: t3225 53.75 BBs
MP2: t3600 60 BBs
Hero (CO): t2205 36.75 BBs
BTN: t1870 31.17 BBs
SB: t1395 23.25 BBs
BB: t315 5.25 BBs
UTG: t695 11.58 BBs
UTG+1: t3985 66.42 BBs

Pre Flop: (t90) Hero is CO with J Q 9 Q
2 folds, MP1 calls t60, MP2 calls t60, Hero calls t60, BTN calls t60, SB calls t30, BB checks

Flop: (t360) 5 T Q (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets t255 all in, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t255, Hero raises to t1380, BTN folds, SB folds, MP2 folds

Turn: (t1125) A (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t1125) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t1125
Hero shows J Q 9 Q (three of a kind, Queens)
BB shows 8 2 J K (a straight, Ten to Ace)
BB wins t1125



Poker Stars $10+$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi Tournament - t30/t60 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

UTG+1: t3165 52.75 BBs
UTG+2: t1500 25 BBs
MP1: t3285 54.75 BBs
Hero (MP2): t1890 31.50 BBs
CO: t1810 30.17 BBs
BTN: t1335 22.25 BBs
SB: t1125 18.75 BBs
BB: t695 11.58 BBs
UTG: t3985 66.42 BBs

Pre Flop: (t90) Hero is MP2 with 4 T K Q
4 folds, Hero raises to t120, CO raises to t360, 3 folds, Hero calls t240

Flop: (t810) A J Q (2 players)
Hero bets t810, CO raises to t1450 all in, Hero calls t640

Turn: (t3710) 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t3710) 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t3710
Hero shows 4 T K Q (a flush, Ace high)
CO shows A A 3 5 (a full house, Aces full of Deuces)
CO wins t3710
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10-07-2010 , 05:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leroy2DaBeroy
Book 1

Book 2

FWIW (and no offense), but 25k hands is still fairly beginner, IMO. That's like 1-2 months. That said, if you've studied a lot of stuff online, watched videos, etc. maybe you can skip the first book. I'd probably get both though, TBH.

As to the content of the 2nd book, it's really a function of playing styles. The majority here (and I'm not saying it's wrong) seem to be very "having the goods/showdown oriented" and consequently want to player fewer, but bigger pots IP with good hands. Hwang seems to be more "moves oriented" and so he wants to play more hands in position in smaller pots where the price of being wrong isn't as high.

Meshing the two styles is the tricky part, IMO.

Thanks. I am not a beginner per se I have read a lot of stuff on this site, watched vids and even have a friend who coaches me from time to time and he is a proven winner at PLO200+ over a very large sample (not going to out sn it's unfair to him and I am sure many of you play with him day in day out)

Am I a proven winning player in PLO? No, but in NL Cash and Tournament NL I can say I am. I want to read a few books to help me transfer from NL to PLO. As I stated before my game is very face up. It's obvious what I have and this is why I don't get paid off when I have big hands and this is something I need to learn. Yes the standard fish will pay me off because he missed his draw but it's the times that they hit their draw that makes me feel really break-even at this game as well as being unable to extract some value from reg's.
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10-07-2010 , 05:35 PM
Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BTN: $116.45
SB: $34.00
BB: $53.90
UTG: $64.60
MP: $129.40
Hero (CO): $70.55

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with 3 A A 4
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN raises to $5.25, 1 fold, BB calls $4.75, Hero raises to $21.25, BTN raises to $69.25, BB calls $48.65 all in, Hero raises to $70.55 all in, BTN calls $1.30

Flop: ($195.25) 2 Q J (3 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: ($195.25) 2 (3 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($195.25) 7 (3 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $195.25
BTN mucks K K 9 6
BB shows 4 7 J J (a full house, Jacks full of Deuces)
Hero shows 3 A A 4 (two pair, Aces and Deuces)
Hero wins $33.30
BB wins $158.95
(Rake: $3.00)
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10-07-2010 , 10:56 PM
valuuuuue

Poker Stars $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (UTG): $227.85
MP: $118.65
CO: $494.25
BTN: $194.00
SB: $295.20
BB: $263.25

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG with K 5 T K
Hero raises to $7, 2 folds, BTN calls $7, 2 folds

Flop: ($17.00) A 8 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $12.10, BTN calls $12.10

Turn: ($41.20) J (2 players)
Hero bets $27.70, BTN calls $27.70

River: ($96.60) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $66.95, BTN calls $66.95

Final Pot: $230.50
Hero shows K 5 T K (two pair, Kings and Fours)
BTN mucks 2 6 5 3
Hero wins $227.50
(Rake: $3.00)
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10-07-2010 , 11:41 PM
Still waiting on that graph lucksack!
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10-07-2010 , 11:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperSnort
valuuuuue

Poker Stars $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (UTG): $227.85
MP: $118.65
CO: $494.25
BTN: $194.00
SB: $295.20
BB: $263.25

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG with K 5 T K
Hero raises to $7, 2 folds, BTN calls $7, 2 folds

Flop: ($17.00) A 8 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $12.10, BTN calls $12.10

Turn: ($41.20) J (2 players)
Hero bets $27.70, BTN calls $27.70

River: ($96.60) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $66.95, BTN calls $66.95

Final Pot: $230.50
Hero shows K 5 T K (two pair, Kings and Fours)
BTN mucks 2 6 5 3
Hero wins $227.50
(Rake: $3.00)
nh...

lmfao!!!


ahahahahhaahahhaha1!!!!!!!!!!!
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10-08-2010 , 02:02 AM
question if i download pokertracker 3.07.5 BETA will it update to show all in ev graph?
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10-08-2010 , 02:39 AM
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i play bad run good
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10-08-2010 , 02:42 AM
Don't buy Hwang's first book as it's full ring and those games rarely run.

Buy the second one, even if there are some peculiarities in his hand starting hand selection as pointed out. No one style is perfect and it's not like these books are recipes/formulas for winning mirrions. Overall his advice is solid so no need to throw the baby out with the dirty bathwater.
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10-08-2010 , 03:01 AM
i disagree. hwang's first book is solid to get a good understanding of starting hands. the 2nd book is alright too if u r able to filter it for good concepts and ignore the ones that r strictly related to the live games he's playing
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10-08-2010 , 03:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mt.FishNoob
nh...

lmfao!!!


ahahahahhaahahhaha1!!!!!!!!!!!
Should we report this? This guy clearly had a straight and he lost?! WTF
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10-08-2010 , 03:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Silly Skates
Should we report this? This guy clearly had a straight and he lost?! WTF
[ ] villian had a strait

[ ] Silly Skates can read HH's
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10-08-2010 , 05:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperSnort
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i play bad run good
nice $, sick volume for 1 week
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10-08-2010 , 06:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by flash75gordon
[ ] villian had a strait

[ ] Silly Skates can read HH's
[x] You just got leveled.
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10-08-2010 , 06:58 AM
If I could do away with the one big hand each session where I make a mistake, I would be much happier.

This **** stopping would be nice also.

Hand 1

Hero (BTN): $24.50
SB: $20.57
BB: $20.50
UTG: $16.81
MP: $42.66
CO: $53.84

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has T 3 A 3

fold, MP calls $0.25, fold, Hero calls $0.25, SB calls $0.15, BB raises to $1.50, MP calls $1.00, Hero calls $1.00, fold

Flop: ($4.00, 3 players) 7 3 T
BB bets $4.00, MP calls $4.00, Hero raises to $20.00, fold, MP calls $16.00

Turn: ($48.00, 2 players) 6
MP bets $21.41, Hero calls $3.25

River: ($54.50, 2 players) K

MP shows 6 5 4 J (Straight, Seven High)
MP wins $0.00
MP wins $51.78

Hand 2

Hero (BB): $35.19
UTG: $86.58
MP: $12.49
CO: $11.52
BTN: $25.09
SB: $28.66

SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has 4 9 7 T

fold, MP calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, BTN calls $0.25, SB calls $0.15, Hero checks

Flop: ($1.25, 5 players) T 4 4
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks, CO bets $0.80, fold, fold, Hero raises to $3.65, fold, CO calls $2.85

Turn: ($8.55, 2 players) A
Hero bets $8.55, CO calls $7.62

River: ($23.79, 2 players) K

CO shows 5 2 K 4 (Full House, Fours full of Kings)
CO wins $22.61
Hero wins $0.00
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10-08-2010 , 11:34 AM
me (26/187/77) ran the 5km in 18.30 recently. /semibrag

that's (26/6'1/170 for you non-SI guys)
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10-08-2010 , 11:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperSnort
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i play bad run good
You screwed yourself over now buddy! Cant wait to see the doomswitched inverse of this next week
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10-08-2010 , 02:13 PM
i'm never gonna move up


Full Tilt Poker $100.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BB: $100.00
UTG: $100.00
MP: $490.75
Hero (CO): $105.50
BTN: $110.50
SB: $99.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with 4 A Q Q
1 fold, MP calls $1, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, SB calls $3.50, BB calls $3, MP calls $3

Flop: ($16.00) Q 7 A (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $13.00, SB folds, BB folds, MP calls $13

Turn: ($42.00) 4 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $33.00, MP raises to $141, Hero calls $55.50 all in

River: ($219.00) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $219.00
MP shows 7 4 7 3
Hero shows 4 A Q Q
MP wins $216.00
(Rake: $3.00)
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10-08-2010 , 03:46 PM
weeee <3 10 BI days
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10-08-2010 , 05:19 PM
HM says he had 10% equity on the turn. The only outs I see are 3 T's or am I overlooking something? ****ing clown nontheless.


Party Poker $25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

CO: $11.87
BTN: $9.80
SB: $59.34
Hero (BB): $33.89
UTG: $3.95

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with 4 K 6 K
3 folds, SB raises to $0.56, Hero raises to $1.68, SB calls $1.12

Flop: ($3.36) J 3 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2, SB calls $2

Turn: ($7.36) K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4, SB calls $4

River: ($15.36) T (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $10, SB raises to $33.45, Hero calls $16.21 all in

Final Pot: $67.78
SB shows K Q 4 A (a straight, Ten to Ace)
Hero mucks 4 K 6 K (three of a kind, Kings)
SB wins $7.24
SB wins $57.54
(Rake: $3.00)
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