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10-25-2021 , 01:02 AM
is it just me or do the good players slow play more than the average player?
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10-25-2021 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
Funny you should ask. A solid 2900bb session today
Very suitable matching avatar
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10-25-2021 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ProblemPlaya
is it just me or do the good players slow play more than the average player?
Definitely
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10-26-2021 , 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
Funny you should ask. A solid 2900bb session today:



A gift hand for you too:
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

PL 6 Card Omaha 2(BB)
HERO ($200)
SB ($543)
BB ($630.47)
HJ ($32.06)
CO ($879.57)

Dealt to Hero: J A Q 5 9 6

HJ Calls $2, CO Folds, HERO Calls $2, SB Calls $1, BB Checks

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.76 effective]
Flop ($8): A 6 2
SB Checks, BB Checks, HJ Checks, HERO Bets $8 (Rem. Stack: $190), SB Folds, BB Calls $8 (Rem. Stack: $620.47), HJ Calls $8 (Rem. Stack: $22.06)

Turn ($32): A 6 2 6
BB Bets $32 (Rem. Stack: $588.47), HJ Folds, HERO Calls $32 (Rem. Stack: $158)

River ($96): A 6 2 6 J
BB Bets $96 (Rem. Stack: $492.47), HERO Raises To $158 (allin), BB Calls $62 (Rem. Stack: $430.47)

Spoiler:

BB shows: Q 4 2 5 T 3

HERO wins: $408
what % of rakeback are you on if you don't mind? 6card seems such a rake hell
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10-26-2021 , 08:12 AM
one club 35%, a handful at 45%, one at 50%.

idk if I'd consider it a rake hell if a mediocre player like me can produce these results:


and I think there's a TON of improvement needed in my game. I constantly punt away stacks due to playing tired/fatigued and trying new things.

A fun BBV hand or two while I'm here:
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

PL 6 Card Omaha 2(BB)
HERO ($244.18)
SB ($107)
BB ($316.40)
UTG ($482.75)
HJ ($115.98)
CO ($300.49)

Dealt to Hero: Q 8 J T 8 T

UTG Folds, HJ Calls $2, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $10.40, SB Folds, BB Folds, HJ Calls $8.20

Hero SPR on Flop: [4.29 effective]
Flop ($24.60): T 9 7
HJ Checks, HERO Bets $19 (Rem. Stack: $214.78), HJ Calls $19 (Rem. Stack: $86.58)

Turn ($62.60): T 9 7 6
HJ Checks, HERO Bets $24 (Rem. Stack: $190.78), HJ Calls $24 (Rem. Stack: $62.58)

River ($110.60): T 9 7 6 6
HJ Bets $62.58 (allin), HERO Calls $62.58 (Rem. Stack: $128.20)

Spoiler:

HJ shows: 6 5 3 4 8 6

HJ wins: $229.76


My hand in spoiler:

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

PL 6 Card Omaha 2(BB)
HERO ($500.40)
SB ($887.20)
BB ($3124.39)
HJ ($281.07)
CO ($2601.67) [B][VPIP: 91.3% | PFR: 65.9%
HJ Folds, CO Raises To $7.20, HERO Raises To $24.20, SB Folds, BB Folds, CO Raises To $75.20, HERO Raises To $228.20, CO Calls $153

Flop ($459): 4 8 K
CO Bets $459 (Rem. Stack: $1914.47), HERO Calls $272.20 (allin)

Turn ($1190.20): 4 8 K J

River ($1190.20): 4 8 K J K

Spoiler:

BTN shows: 7 8 A Q T J
CO shows: T T 2 9 4 A

BTN wins: $997.40

Last edited by .isolated; 10-26-2021 at 08:29 AM.
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03-11-2022 , 05:22 AM
Not running like **** at the higher stake
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04-14-2022 , 01:26 AM
Little brag, Hit a nice little Bad Beat Jackpot last night;



Was playing a bit higher too, but it hit on these stakes, still can't complain!
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04-20-2022 , 10:25 PM
Pretty rough patch.

All fast forward 1/2, first half they had the CO/BUTTON bug, which costed me about 20k in EV...

Almost 1 year of break even after rakeback...

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04-22-2022 , 09:59 AM
What bug?
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04-22-2022 , 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MastaAces
What bug?

You got a lot less hands from IP. They fixed it ~6 months ago

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05-22-2022 , 04:48 AM
PokerStars - $0.05 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $5.00
CO: $2.34
BTN: $4.90
Hero (SB): $5.33
BB: $7.52
UTG: $6.42

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has A A 6 T

UTG calls $0.05, fold, CO calls $0.05, BTN calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, fold, CO calls $0.25, BTN calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.00, 3 players) 9 7 5
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $0.64, Hero raises to $2.88, fold, BTN raises to $4.60 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.72

Turn: ($10.20, 2 players) 5

River: ($10.20, 2 players) J

BTN cashed out $7.46 for a fee of $0.08

No reads on my opponents.

My question is: how important is my 6x blocker and also how relevant is having two BD FDs here?

I should probably just call the flop and see the turn, and probably fold unimproved? Especially when a passive player bets.

And I probably have lots of better hands here. I should have some pair+draw, something like JT98ds, A987ds, A876ds and so on.
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05-22-2022 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Vvvvv
PokerStars - $0.05 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $5.00
CO: $2.34
BTN: $4.90
Hero (SB): $5.33
BB: $7.52
UTG: $6.42

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has A A 6 T

UTG calls $0.05, fold, CO calls $0.05, BTN calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, fold, CO calls $0.25, BTN calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.00, 3 players) 9 7 5
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $0.64, Hero raises to $2.88, fold, BTN raises to $4.60 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.72

Turn: ($10.20, 2 players) 5

River: ($10.20, 2 players) J

BTN cashed out $7.46 for a fee of $0.08

No reads on my opponents.

My question is: how important is my 6x blocker and also how relevant is having two BD FDs here?

I should probably just call the flop and see the turn, and probably fold unimproved? Especially when a passive player bets.

And I probably have lots of better hands here. I should have some pair+draw, something like JT98ds, A987ds, A876ds and so on.
The 6x blocker is neutralized in a way as you also have a 10x which blocks the 8x 10x open-ender, the only hand that you would have reasonable equity against here - excepting a complete bluff. Check-raising the flop is the least optimal play in this spot.

Check-folding is fine. Bet-folding would be my second choice. At these stakes, players don't bluff all that frequently. Most are not even familiar with the concept of blockers.

The double back-door flush draw doesn't add enough equity here. The percentages of hitting are low, and you are crushed a lot of the time. Ultimately, the stacks were too deep and the pot was too low to justify getting it in here.
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05-23-2022 , 05:28 PM
^ good post. Also, your villains limp/called preflop so their ranges hit this board hard and crush yours. Not to mention that the SPR is way too high to ever justify GII here.
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05-24-2022 , 06:38 PM
Still running like a turd. Make it ~300 BI under ev.
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05-25-2022 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by AntiTyrrany
Still running like a turd. Make it ~300 BI under ev.
ouch, you sure you don't play in games where villains are actively colluding vs you?
I know it's not impossible to run so much below ev, but keep in mind that card removal knowledge of colluders will lead to hero running way below allin ev longterm
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05-25-2022 , 02:23 PM
This game . It's not 300bi under but 3100bb under in 1100 hands is lolzy

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05-30-2022 , 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by AntiTyrrany
Still running like a turd. Make it ~300 BI under ev.
I think there are definately spots in Plo where your real equity is more than "allin ev" suggests.

For example:

We raise Co with xxxx with 2 spades
Btn 3bets
Sb coldcalls 3bet
Bb coldcalls also
We call

Flops comes 832 with 2 spades
All check to btn who shoves his AAxx
Sb fold
Bb fold
We call

SO when sb and bb coldcall 3bet they usually have some kind of double suited rundown, and when they fold this flop there kinda is 8 dead cards of different suit than spades and our change to hit our fd increases quite alot.

Mayby your play style puts you more on the wrong side of these allins?
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05-31-2022 , 10:49 AM
There was a guy also playing FF200 on Party with a similar graph, it turns out, that HM2 was showing it wrong and his EV line actually went down when he imported the HH into HM2 and DriveHUD. It's probably not the case with PT4, but you might want to check it out.
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06-02-2022 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by heat555
There was a guy also playing FF200 on Party with a similar graph, it turns out, that HM2 was showing it wrong and his EV line actually went down when he imported the HH into HM2 and DriveHUD. It's probably not the case with PT4, but you might want to check it out.
Using HEM 3 doubtful it is the problem.

This run is nothing exceptional. When you input the std an winrate it will happen around 3% of the time to run 300 BI under ev in this many hands.

Thing is most people running this much under ev in a given year will likely have dropped out before getting to that point.
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06-03-2022 , 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by DontyouCRai
I think there are definately spots in Plo where your real equity is more than "allin ev" suggests.

For example:

We raise Co with xxxx with 2 spades
Btn 3bets
Sb coldcalls 3bet
Bb coldcalls also
We call

Flops comes 832 with 2 spades
All check to btn who shoves his AAxx
Sb fold
Bb fold
We call

SO when sb and bb coldcall 3bet they usually have some kind of double suited rundown, and when they fold this flop there kinda is 8 dead cards of different suit than spades and our change to hit our fd increases quite alot.

Mayby your play style puts you more on the wrong side of these allins?

They surely folded smaller flush draws.


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06-04-2022 , 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by JarebearPLO
They surely folded smaller flush draws.


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How u know i didnt even give you stacksizes?
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06-15-2022 , 03:20 AM
Is a hand like A765 where A suited ever a hand you would look to play for at FR? Or is it just money on fire
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06-22-2022 , 05:15 AM
would someone please mind to translate this darkness



appreciated
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06-22-2022 , 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by 5th Suit
would someone please mind to translate this darkness



appreciated
i am unsure of what that means but you cropped the image so hard that it's uninterpretable (further than concluding you're running worse than you are playing).
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