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10-16-2016 , 08:04 PM
Hey guise. I don't feel like opening a thread. Anyway I have to learn how to use excel, so I'm building up ways to in excel calculate EV. So far so good, but how do I add Fold Equity to the EV formula?; EV = (%W * $W) - (%L * $L). I saw this seemly great tutorial, but I don't really understand what does the variable S$ mean, at all, maybe it's my English.

If anyone can help me out with what the hell does S$ mean in the formula, I will be really grateful.

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Originally Posted by Post from the link above
This will be pretty messy if I don't define some variables, so here goes:

P$ = Current size of the pot
S$ = Minimum of your stack vs your opponent's stack
F% = Chance of your opponent folding to your shove (this should be between 0 and 1; divide percentages by 100 to get corresponding value)
W% = Chance of you winning when called (this should be between 0 and 1; divide percentages by 100 to get corresponding value)
When he calls and you win, you earn:

P$ + S$
When he calls and you lose, you lose:

S$
So, if he always called, your EV would be:

EV = (W% * (P$ + S$)) - ((1 - W%) * S$)
But he doesn't always call. When he doesn't call, you win:

P$
So we can add that into the above:

EV = (F% * P$) + (1 - F%) * ((W% * (P$ + S$)) - ((1 - W%) * S$))

I'm a little obsessed with this now, but my math(concentration) sucks, I'm trying to figure out how much FE I needed in order to 3bet jam the turn in a hand I played today.
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10-16-2016 , 08:46 PM
Hey guys, I'm looking for a stake for 50 zoom on stars. I just passed over 100 buyins there, so It will definitely be a good deal for both of us

Lifetime results at 50: http://imgur.com/a/z8bym

This could be your money if you're lucky enough for me to choose you.
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10-17-2016 , 02:07 AM
Albert Socrates I usually just use this http://redchippoker.com/fold-equity-calculator/

is this what you're looking for?

And if I understand correctly S$ is effective stack$
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10-17-2016 , 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by horseofhell
Albert Socrates I usually just use this http://redchippoker.com/fold-equity-calculator/

is this what you're looking for?

And if I understand correctly S$ is effective stack$
Thanks a lot, this FE calculator is exactly what I needed
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10-17-2016 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by PastyDonkey
Hey guys, I'm looking for a stake for 50 zoom on stars. I just passed over 100 buyins there, so It will definitely be a good deal for both of us

Lifetime results at 50: http://imgur.com/a/z8bym

This could be your money if you're lucky enough for me to choose you.
pretty sick; timeframe? how much rake have you paid?
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10-17-2016 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bari83
pretty sick; timeframe? how much rake have you paid?

Over the last 3 months or so, I'm beating 25z by a lot so I keep taking shots at 50z and getting wrecked even though the player pools have a lot of overlap. I've paid about 7k in rake.
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10-19-2016 , 11:36 AM
so this week I started playing PLO for the first time ever (one tabling 10PLOz) after a one year hiatus from playing poker (used to grind 50NL/100NL).



and I just realized that I paid $57 in rake in 1900 hands of 10PLOz, wtf, unreal. I even thought that I had chosen the wrong rake stat in PT4 or something, but I counted the VPPs and it checks out, $57. Somehow I'm up $40, but I seriously underestimated all the talk about the rake in PLO being huge issue.
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10-19-2016 , 03:40 PM
Yeah it's pretty amazing that ssplo zoom is beatable at all considering the rake burden in bb/100. Play some decent sessions and you end up losing multiple full buyins in rake per day. Not good
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10-19-2016 , 06:19 PM
there are so many fish even at 500z, the zoom pools are quite healthy. That is why u can beat the rake

anyone complaining that they can't beat the games is simply not good enough
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10-19-2016 , 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by JermNZ
there are so many fish even at 500z, the zoom pools are quite healthy. That is why u can beat the rake

anyone complaining that they can't beat the games is simply not good enough
Finally someone came out and said it!
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10-19-2016 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by JermNZ
there are so many fish even at 500z, the zoom pools are quite healthy. That is why u can beat the rake

anyone complaining that they can't beat the games is simply not good enough
ofc the games are beatable, the question is to what degree. If you raise the rake to 1bb below what the best player in the world beats the game at, it's still beatable. The question is what level of rake is reasonable, not what level is beatable.
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10-20-2016 , 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Loctus
ofc the games are beatable, the question is to what degree. If you raise the rake to 1bb below what the best player in the world beats the game at, it's still beatable. The question is what level of rake is reasonable, not what level is beatable.
There are PLENTY of regs who beats all the stakes up to PLO500.

Look at the graphs posted by Pastafiore and MDU and others.

As JermNZ said: Pools are plenty healty and beatable. Reg games are easily beatable for +5bb winrates and plenty of regs do this.

People dont want to hear it, but games are softer compared to 1 year ago.
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10-20-2016 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Oink
There are PLENTY of regs who beats all the stakes up to PLO500.

Look at the graphs posted by Pastafiore and MDU and others.

As JermNZ said: Pools are plenty healty and beatable. Reg games are easily beatable for +5bb winrates and plenty of regs do this.

People dont want to hear it, but games are softer compared to 1 year ago.
Hello Dnegs!
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10-20-2016 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Oink
There are PLENTY of regs who beats all the stakes up to PLO500.

Look at the graphs posted by Pastafiore and MDU and others.

As JermNZ said: Pools are plenty healty and beatable. Reg games are easily beatable for +5bb winrates and plenty of regs do this.

People dont want to hear it, but games are softer compared to 1 year ago.
interesting. you are talking "only" about PLO200 & PLO500 games?
would you say this is due SNE changes?
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10-20-2016 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Mt.FishNoob
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omg

Mt.FishNoob

You are still around? Havnt seen you post in a looong time, and assumed you were long gone. What's up? What you doing? still grinding? Did you make it to the top? Do you still have millions of crazy theories?

Hope all is well

gl
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10-21-2016 , 01:51 AM
Also, even though what Jermnz, Oink and Gay are saying is true, I dont think it should be said either. DO you really want stars to up the rake some more? Because if more and more people start saying that, I can assure you they will... You should know better by now. They dont want 5+ bb winers. They will use it as an argument to up the rake, just like they did before.
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10-21-2016 , 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by kelnel
Also, even though what Jermnz, Oink and Gay are saying is true, I dont think it should be said either. DO you really want stars to up the rake some more? Because if more and more people start saying that, I can assure you they will... You should know better by now. They dont want 5+ bb winers. They will use it as an argument to up the rake, just like they did before.
It is true. And whether people sat it or not wont affect Stars knowledge of the state of the games, which they have comprehensive statistics on

Games are beatable. Games have softened after the VIP change. But game selection has decreased
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10-21-2016 , 08:21 AM
I know its true. And i also know that stars is aware of the state of the game. The perception of the game by the public is different though. If everyone thinks its unbeatable, it makes it hard for PS to further increase rake. If everyone says and knows that with a little work you can beat the game, it will be easy for stars to push another rake increase down our throat.
When people think "PLO 10 is unbeatable because of rake" it keeps some regs away from the game (the ones that left with VIP changes), does not influence fish ratio, and makes it harder for PS to up the rake.
I dont see any incentive to correct this false belief.
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10-21-2016 , 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by kelnel
I know its true. And i also know that stars is aware of the state of the game. The perception of the game by the public is different though. If everyone thinks its unbeatable, it makes it hard for PS to further increase rake. If everyone says and knows that with a little work you can beat the game, it will be easy for stars to push another rake increase down our throat.
When people think "PLO 10 is unbeatable because of rake" it keeps some regs away from the game (the ones that left with VIP changes), does not influence fish ratio, and makes it harder for PS to up the rake.
I dont see any incentive to correct this false belief.
If history has shown us anything, it is that stars/amaya dont give a *** about public perception. So while I agree, that there is no incentive to change this false belief, I also dont think it affects the probability of another rake hike. Stars/amaya are gonna do their thing regardless of what we discuss here in the BBV thread.

I also doubt that this false belief will be corrected, there has been a false belief on the beatability of stars PLO games for something like 5 years now.

So while I dont disagree with your points per se, I just dont think us discussing it has any affect on the games, the false belief and whether or not Amaya raises the rake once again.
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10-23-2016 , 12:26 PM
Going to be streaming 200plo and 500plo most days on Stars for anyone who's interested - https://www.twitch.tv/jimmyhat1000
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10-23-2016 , 02:17 PM
cool Jimmy

Just curious, why do you do it?

edit: watched first few mins - LOLOL at "wtf are you doing bumbass" vs danfiu and " NoO ONES WATCHING???? but i just won a big pot! "

Last edited by kelnel; 10-23-2016 at 02:26 PM.
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10-23-2016 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by kelnel
cool Jimmy

Just curious, why do you do it?

edit: watched first few mins - LOLOL at "wtf are you doing bumbass" vs danfiu and " NoO ONES WATCHING???? but i just won a big pot! "
Makes poker more fun and interesting when people are on the rail sweating you. Makes me want to play more as well.
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10-24-2016 , 02:04 AM
I enjoyed it Jimmy. Followed
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10-24-2016 , 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by jimmyhat1000
Going to be streaming 200plo and 500plo most days on Stars for anyone who's interested - https://www.twitch.tv/jimmyhat1000
It's really hard to listen to you talk a lot about how bad you run
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10-24-2016 , 04:01 AM
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I enjoyed it Jimmy. Followed
Thanks
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