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06-17-2015 , 05:40 AM
That's fairly standard for lol2cards isn't it? Can't fold a pair there hu against a lot of people. If he had called down with a Jack it would be more crazy.
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06-17-2015 , 06:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S
That's fairly standard for lol2cards isn't it? Can't fold a pair there hu against a lot of people. If he had called down with a Jack it would be more crazy.
cmon, fairly standard...
do you even lift bro?
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06-17-2015 , 06:18 AM
Yay! Finally my tribute to GGaRJ! Can I get a club membership now?

    Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #36803211

    BTN: $254.47 (127.2 bb)
    SB: $70.72 (35.4 bb)
    BB: $167.12 (83.6 bb)
    UTG: $800.55 (400.3 bb)
    Hero (MP): $200 (100 bb)
    CO: $1,001.15 (500.6 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with 3 3 3 3
    UTG raises to $6, Hero raises to $21, CO calls $21, 3 folds, UTG calls $15

    Flop: ($66) 2 5 T (3 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $38, CO calls $38, UTG folds

    Turn: ($142) 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets $139.20, CO folds

    Results: $142 pot ($2.80 rake)
    Final Board: 2 5 T 5
    Hero mucked 3 3 3 3 and won $139.20 ($80.20 net)
    CO mucked and lost (-$59 net)



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    06-17-2015 , 06:30 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sauhund
    cmon, fairly standard...
    do you even lift bro?
    Alternatively I'm just terrible at holdem.
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    06-17-2015 , 07:43 AM
    lol

      Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #36803241

      BTN: $67.79 (271.2 bb)
      SB: $72.30 (289.2 bb)
      BB: $25.14 (100.6 bb)
      UTG: $40.81 (163.2 bb)
      MP: $49.64 (198.6 bb)
      Hero (CO): $33.23 (132.9 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with A K K T
      UTG folds, MP raises to $0.85, Hero raises to $2.90, BTN folds, SB calls $2.80, BB folds, MP raises to $11.85, Hero calls $8.95, SB calls $8.95

      Flop: ($35.80) K 7 J (3 players)
      SB bets $34.28, MP folds, Hero calls $21.38 and is all-in

      Turn: ($78.56) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: ($78.56) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Results: $78.56 pot ($2.00 rake)
      Final Board: K 7 J 5 4
      SB showed 8 6 J K and won $76.56 ($43.33 net)
      MP mucked and lost (-$11.85 net)
      Hero showed A K K T and lost (-$33.23 net)



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      06-17-2015 , 07:57 AM
      "I just dun think you got it, son" (with a thick Texas accent)


        Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #36803261

        Hero (BTN): $502.44 (251.2 bb)
        SB: $296.31 (148.2 bb)
        BB: $120.72 (60.4 bb)
        UTG: $245.52 (122.8 bb)
        MP: $142.42 (71.2 bb)
        CO: $406.62 (203.3 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BTN with 3 A A 7
        UTG folds, MP calls $2, CO folds, Hero raises to $9, 2 folds, MP calls $7

        Flop: ($21) 9 2 5 (2 players)
        MP checks, Hero bets $14.04, MP calls $14.04

        Turn: ($49.08) J (2 players)
        MP bets $28.12, Hero calls $28.12

        River: ($105.32) K (2 players)
        MP bets $51.26, Hero calls $51.26

        Results: $207.84 pot ($2.80 rake)
        Final Board: 9 2 5 J K
        Hero showed 3 A A 7 and won $205.04 ($102.62 net)
        MP showed 7 8 3 A and lost (-$102.42 net)



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        06-17-2015 , 01:56 PM
        ^^ that your standard play ?
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        06-17-2015 , 10:35 PM
        jeeez. and you guys wonder why fish think that online poker is rigged?

        I mean, I get if if you hold Ac, but that´s one sick call.
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        06-18-2015 , 03:24 AM
        I just dont like folding, especially when I cant make sense of villain's hand



          Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #36824031

          BTN: $434.85 (217.4 bb)
          SB: $194.69 (97.3 bb)
          BB: $356.97 (178.5 bb)
          UTG: $202.67 (101.3 bb)
          MP: $165 (82.5 bb)
          Hero (CO): $577.01 (288.5 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is CO with Q 8 6 9
          2 folds, Hero raises to $6, BTN raises to $21, 2 folds, Hero raises to $66, BTN calls $45

          Flop: ($135) 9 K Q (2 players)
          Hero checks, BTN bets $66, Hero calls $66

          Turn: ($267) 3 (2 players)
          Hero checks, BTN bets $132, Hero calls $132

          River: ($531) 8 (2 players)
          Hero checks, BTN bets $170.85 and is all-in, Hero calls $170.85

          Results: $872.70 pot ($2.80 rake)
          Final Board: 9 K Q 3 8
          BTN showed 4 7 8 6 and lost (-$434.85 net)
          Hero showed Q 8 6 9 and won $869.90 ($435.05 net)



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          06-18-2015 , 11:38 AM
          Lol @ btn. Solid, solid spew.
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          06-18-2015 , 02:02 PM

          Last edited by Johan5390; 06-18-2015 at 02:02 PM. Reason: nh
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          06-18-2015 , 02:03 PM
          He has blockers to hero having four cards.
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          06-19-2015 , 01:09 PM
          1 for you Joey... i am so bad at this but maybe we can these giffed hands going again

            Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25, $0.05 ante Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

            CO: $62.50 (250 bb)
            Hero (BTN): $100.12 (400.5 bb)
            SB: $34.93 (139.7 bb)
            BB: $97.28 (389.1 bb)
            MP: $43.05 (172.2 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9 A J A


            2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, SB raises to $2.75, BB calls $2.50, Hero raises to $5,
            SB calls $2.25, BB calls $2.25

            Flop: ($15.25) 8 T Q (3 players)

            SB bets $10.22, BB calls $10.22, Hero raises to $55.48, SB calls $19.66 and is all-in, BB raises to $92.23 and is all-in, Hero calls $36.75



            Turn: ($229.59) 8 (3 players, 2 are all-in)


            River: ($229.59) 9 (3 players, 2 are all-in)

            Results: $229.59 pot ($2.00 rake)
            Final Board: 8 T Q 8 9
            Hero showed 9 A J A and lost (-$97.28 net)
            SB showed A 8 Q 8 and won $102.89 ($67.96 net)
            BB showed K Q Q 7 and won $124.70 ($27.42 net)


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            06-19-2015 , 04:01 PM
            So I recently started playing Omaha cash on full flush; I traded futures for a living for about 6 years, and when I left the industry in 2011 I partly supported myself for a year playing 1/2 and 2/5 live PLO in the casino's and private games around Chicago, so I do have some experience with the game (made about 20k). Those were some pretty soft games; harder to find games like that anywhere these days...

            Anyway, on FF there aren't many Omaha games running usually; I play what's there (plo10-plo100). I two to four table but it's usually just one Omaha table with some NLHE sng's and MTT's. Volume is hard to come by.

            Over my first 1200 hands my win-rate is 133.7bb/100. I realize that's unsustainable, and yes I have been running well, but it hasn't been a run of opponent coolers that jumps off the screen or anything.

            Just wondering what if any conclusions I can draw from that. I know the volume nazi's on here are just going to turn their noses up at this, but I do have some background in statistics, and small sample sizes can be sometimes be representative i.e. exit polling, Nielsen ratings... Can I even assume I'm playing well over this sample or could it all just be run good?

            Anyway I knew I was having a good run but when I looked at that win-rate last night I was very surprised. I've never been one to do a lot of data base analysis of my hh's so I thought I'd throw it up here and see what you guys think. Any and all thoughts appreciated.
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            06-19-2015 , 05:04 PM



            Even if youre true winrate is at -20bb/100h, theres a 95% confidence interval of [-112bb/100h, +72bb/100]

            As you can see (and I hope you wont call me a volume nazi), your samplesize and "winrate" says basically nothing.
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            06-19-2015 , 05:07 PM
            1200 hands wtf is that like half a session
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            06-19-2015 , 05:25 PM
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            Originally Posted by Loctus
            1200 hands wtf is that like half a session
            Ha like I said I'm forced to single table mostly. But yeah it's a stupid small amount of hands. Still a pretty absurd rate tho right? Or not so much?
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            06-19-2015 , 05:38 PM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by Kreatief



            Even if youre true winrate is at -20bb/100h, theres a 95% confidence interval of [-112bb/100h, +72bb/100]

            As you can see (and I hope you wont call me a volume nazi), your samplesize and "winrate" says basically nothing.
            Really appreciate you putting that up for me Kreatief... I've been looking at these variance calc's a lot the past couple days and I think I kind of get it now.

            First off where do you get that 160bb/100 St Dev? Also if the upper limit of the 95% confidence interval is 72bb/100, isn't it safe to say that my win rate is indicative of the strong likely hood that I'm not a -20bb/100 player? i.e that rate is in fact indicative of something as opposed to "nothing."
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            06-20-2015 , 02:45 AM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by TommyTsunami
            So I recently started playing Omaha cash on full flush; I traded futures for a living for about 6 years, and when I left the industry in 2011 I partly supported myself for a year playing 1/2 and 2/5 live PLO in the casino's and private games around Chicago, so I do have some experience with the game (made about 20k). Those were some pretty soft games; harder to find games like that anywhere these days...

            Anyway, on FF there aren't many Omaha games running usually; I play what's there (plo10-plo100). I two to four table but it's usually just one Omaha table with some NLHE sng's and MTT's. Volume is hard to come by.

            Over my first 1200 hands my win-rate is 133.7bb/100. I realize that's unsustainable, and yes I have been running well, but it hasn't been a run of opponent coolers that jumps off the screen or anything.

            Just wondering what if any conclusions I can draw from that. I know the volume nazi's on here are just going to turn their noses up at this, but I do have some background in statistics, and small sample sizes can be sometimes be representative i.e. exit polling, Nielsen ratings... Can I even assume I'm playing well over this sample or could it all just be run good?

            Anyway I knew I was having a good run but when I looked at that win-rate last night I was very surprised. I've never been one to do a lot of data base analysis of my hh's so I thought I'd throw it up here and see what you guys think. Any and all thoughts appreciated.
            You can't read much in to the winrate/numbers, but you can certainly get a good feel for how soft the games are within 1200 hands (actually often within 20 hands). If you see opponents regularly making bad, exploitative plays then it sounds like a good spot to be in, if you can tolerate 2-4 tables.

            I'd just grind it and re-evaluate in 10k hands.
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            06-20-2015 , 02:47 AM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by TommyTsunami
            Ha like I said I'm forced to single table mostly. But yeah it's a stupid small amount of hands. Still a pretty absurd rate tho right? Or not so much?
            Nah its pretty standard rungood.
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            06-20-2015 , 02:51 AM
            Had a really crappy breakeven stretch of the last 5k hands or so. :/ Running poorish, playing even worse.

            Took a PLO5 shot today, -7 BI before I called it quits. Thank god for Rakeback.

            I don't know how you guys do it, these swings are amazing haha
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            06-20-2015 , 02:57 AM
            For a little context, in my month so far in 12k hands, I've had a similar/better run good run twice (5600-6800, 6800-8000).

            And this has been a month with very low volatility compared to other months, it's usually much more crazy up and down, I just thought I would show you a recent sample. For the record I think I'm 3-5bb/100 in aiev and actually still a losing player in $, certainly not a crusher.

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            06-20-2015 , 08:51 AM
            got some sick swings myself this month too. never had such a streak of swings. ranging from + or - 10BI to + or - 20 BI pretty much every single day since begining of the month. I'm usually used to 2 to 5 BI swings/day, with the odd 10BI session once in a while. But this month has been way more swingy thanusuall (bb wise)

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            06-20-2015 , 07:21 PM
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            Originally Posted by kelnel
            got some sick swings myself this month too. never had such a streak of swings. ranging from + or - 10BI to + or - 20 BI pretty much every single day since begining of the month. I'm usually used to 2 to 5 BI swings/day, with the odd 10BI session once in a while. But this month has been way more swingy thanusuall (bb wise)

            Which stakes? Nice brag btw
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            06-20-2015 , 08:42 PM
            haha not sure that's a brag. and for 7-8 days in that graph he probably quit his sessions wanting to drown a baby
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