Ongame/betfair Pot-Limit Omaha, $50.00 BB (3 handed) - Ongame/betfair Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (BB) ($4360)
Button ($5000)
SB ($5346)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6, J, A, J
Button bets $100, SB raises $300

I'm just interested to know whether people are flatting or 4betting here (I am assuming not many people fold) and their reasons for doing so.

3bettor is 3betting about 25% 3-handed

I am flatting because we have to fold to a 4bet (right?) and even when we do not get 4bet, our hand does not have that big of an equity edge.

lol at simple!
you wouldn`t ask if this is any simple.
breaking this hand down thoroughly is one loooong coaching session,imo.
but lets have a quick look.

25% 3bet you say.i guess that means 3bet 3handed overall.
25% 3bet from sb is hard to believe.
his fold to 4bet and his 5bet range would be nice to know aswell.

anyway,lets take 25% 3bet:

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
20%,xxyy:45%!rr!a,akqj-7654,wxyy:30%!rr!a	46.90%	278,783	5,180
adjdjh6h	53.10%	316,037	5,180

hooray,we`re fav!
but,supposing we 4bet full pot and bu folds,we`need 38.1% to call a 5bet.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
4%	65.13%	389,206	3,201
adjdjh6h	34.87%	207,593	3,201

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
aa!aaa	68.21%	408,099	2,335
adjdjh6h	31.79%	189,566	2,335

A-
sb 5bet-range is 4.4% and he folds "reasonable"
5bet 21.3%,fold 36.3%,call 42.4%

vs his callingrange we`ve 59.7%

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
5%-20%!rr!a,xxyy:5%-45%!rr!a,kqjt-7654:5%-45%,wxyy:5%-30%!rr!a	40.32%	241,681	481
adjdjh6h	59.68%	357,838	481

5bet (-$950*0.213)= -$202.35
fold ( $450*0.363)= $163.35
call (($8817*0.597-4310)*0.424)= $404.39

shoving under above conditions gains $365.39
this numbers we need compare to calling

plus alter conditions and ranges (b,c,d,e....)

as i said,its not sooo simple.

4bet because hand is sexy and crushes alot of rundowny hands

thought a little more about this hand,altered some sims,etc..

vs >17% range and a reasonable 5bet range its a clear 4bet/fold.
vs a maniacs`5bet range 4bet/call.

so you wanna 4bet fold with less than 90bbs? are you ******ed?

yes and no!

just flat and outplay these ******ed ongame regs postflop

Those kind of long analysis is pretty useless as you cant really apply that in game
Id rather 4b then call cuz if btn comes along it will be harder to play

you should reconsider that statement

Pretty much this.

wat?

Unless you guys mean "less profitable" when you say "harder to play", I believe this thinking is a mistake in general (ie. avoiding tough spots, just because they are tough).

+1 to the above,

with any reads this becomes a fairly easy spot - 4betting to call or fold becomes clearer and cold-calling is the right option against most - but without reads i think it's generally safer to see the flop, so you can get some reads.

he meant would be easier playing hu than 3handed, and that happens because playing IP hu its easier than 3handed w/o being last to act... also our equity increase if we are hu than if we are 3handed. isn't good for us when btn comes w/ his hand, our equity will be lower. we don't want him w/ AK42, KQ86 etc.. actually the most important fact is we want be last to act at post flop.

we can bet/call on many flops,.. def easier to play. and that doens't means 'we are scared' about playing 3way.

i am 4betting this too...damn, villain is 25% 3bettor.

This is true by definition for any hand(our equity is always higher HU than 3-way) and is not an argument to 4bet.

4betting because you have an A-blocker and a v playable hand.

4betting for all the reasons urubu said, the main one being the 25% 3bet.

Im 4bet calling due to aforementioned sexiness of hand and degenerate fondness of being aipf.

Think 4b and call are both fairly close.
To iso the sb or to play a nice multiway hand.

If I had decent reads on sb I'd prefer the iso and pos'n.
If not I'd try to play the numbers game and accept the protection of a 3way pot. Btn might fold anyway. His is the weakest range. It might not hurt to allow him free passage.

Honestly both options are equally tempting.

I think I ask myself who the mark is, and how I will cope with a postflop squeeze.

I doubt anything button raises into a 25% 3-bet and OP is folding if OP flats here. 25% is a lot, so I don't think 4-bet calling can be too bad in this spot.

Can you guys explain why the hand is so hard to play 3 handed?

I also prefer 4b for fold equity against his bigger pairs/ak

Okay, very nice, just explain me the secret of doing all that within the 15sec you got time to act, tx. Then its very helpful.
Otherwise lets easily say we 4bet cause villain has a 25%-3bet and we obv like to play him hu ip! And a 4bet/fold imop with 90bb only worth to think about if his 5bet-range is really really tight... that's possible to find out within less than 15secs

why are people ragging on jaop for doing complicated equities? that's fairly ******ed, we do this sort of work away from the table so we have a better idea what to do at the table and don't have to rely on intuition and guesswork as much.

jaop,

your equities are only against the 3better and ignores our equity when it is 3handed and BTN comes along too

Basically if I want to play AJ or JJ as best hand going forward, I have to 4 bet. If I just call (which is not bad since we do hit 30%+ flops, though most of that draws), my options are very limited by my position, both in absolute and relative terms.

BTN's tendencies cannot be ignored. It's not the norm, but there are players that ship a petty wide range here if OP flats.