I've been wanting to play PLO on the side.

Should I start at nl10 zoom, or is the rake going to be too high, making it too tough to move up? Is it better at nl25?

both of them are not beatable if you are not already a solid player.

i suggest you dont play at stars in the first place.

i won 100 buy ins at PLO10 before RB, yep king of the micros me, got crushed at PLO25 thou, moved to Betfair and back on track rebuilding decimated Zoom roll

but theres fish everywhere, surely that outweighs the rake?

I can't really see myself learning on another site. I do have some money on bodog, but the traffic isn't even enough @ nl10/25 for PLO..

What is your goal for playing PLO on the side at the moment?

If its to learn the game, don't jump right into games with competent regs and start at $2 or $5 zoom and learn the game over rolled. If you want games to go a bit slower, sit at the $2 and $5 cash tables, where on average 50% of the table see a flop (30-35% for zoom at those limits). You'll learn how to recognize players chasing, when they hit, when they play a hand face up and it won't be as expensive to learn the hard lessons like what draws not to chase and why certain spots shouldn't be allins.

You are correct, there are fish everywhere, but there are a lot of capable players at the 10s and 25s as well, and you'll just be donating buyins to them until get a solid grasp on the game. Start at the bottom, and then once you feel that you're comfortable with the game, take a few shots at the 10s and 25s.

Dont play at stars, rake and competition are very high

Well. I'm not doing it to make money right away, just looking to learn and improve.

Ok, I was just worried that the rake would be way too high the lower I go. It would suck to eventually gain enough skill to move up, but not know it because the rake is too high.

My goal is just to learn.. I suppose I should earn my way to nl25. tho I found there to be 2 fish at every table at nl25, I figured I'd breakeven or be a slight loser worst case scenario.

If you are referring to playing PLO, please stop sayin nl10, nl25 etc. It's not no limit ;-)

you mean plo10. not nl 10 and its not worth playing on stars below 200 plo you just get rakeraped

Rake at plo10 is 4.25%

The rake actually gets better as you decrease stakes, it is just the cap which makes it worse.

PLO10 is not even bad for rake. Easily beatable.

The games should be beatable. Most people are terrible until plo 100 where they are half terrible. If you play disciplined, don't semibluff weak draws multiway and don't chase non nuts out of position you should easily win.

dont know. people are so nitty at microstakes i fell like the main income is bluffing people out of small pots and dont escalate the pot if you dont have a very big hand.

of course against fishes you play more valueheavy.

still think PLO10 wont treat you very well, if you are a beginner and play all day long just to find 1$ more at the end of the day that is not so nice.

What tables are you playing at that plo10 is full of nits? If that's the case don't play there, wherever I play everyone is god awful and chases every draw to the river. Headsup people will slowplay the nuts or bet every street without any consideration to cbet strategy. Find a new site if it's that hard.

thats what i had in memory. atm at PLO200

I also started learning PLO two months ago, if its of any help here are my stats from those zoom games


I have no idea how I managed to drop that much at PLO10Zoom, and feel quite embarrassed about it. PLO2 and PLO5 felt very soft, but at PLO10 there were already noticeably less fish though. I don't doubt that PLO10 wouldn't be beatable and for the small sample I played at the lower stakes I would say that they are very easily beatable.

I did really enjoy playing Zoom, had difficulties reading the board and many times made mistakes that cost me a stack but PLO5 is very forgiving about that. Was on heavy meds, and with little sleep, but still managed to keep a winrate at PLO5 - so if you aren't doing this to make money I do think micro zoom is a great place to start learning. You get so many hands with zoom, and its fun too.

Right now I'm playing PLO25 at regular tables.

^Story of my PLOz life. Beating PLO5z for 11bb/100 and breaking even (as far as EV goes.......) at PLO10z.



btw I would advice no one to play micro zoom PLO on stars. Rake is ******ed.

My stats for PLO5 and PLO10 over those two samples are basically identical in every sense. 27/18/6.5 preflop.

In the micros it's like 5c 10c games for whatever reason really attract nit grinders across the board, I remember it like that when I was playing NL games. NL 10 (not zoom coz dint play it) was like full of pure nit grinders but this was when it wasn't weight contributed..

Anyways, even though I'd say PLO 10 players are bad generally, in relation to the stakes below some are still better and some are not rec at all but are grind orientated- I guess like us, as well as them being awfully nitty. Plus the rake is higher at 10 than 5.

I felt 25PLO was waaaay better (in zoom and reg speed), like people actually splash more and are ******edly aggro in pots more, willing to gamble more, less nit. Ofc some players are not so bad but they remind me of NLH players who generally have good stats and know how to fold but are still quite ABC nut peddle. Personally I would just skip 10PLO altogether and play 25$.