Guy is short stacked, so i would like to know if i could of just gotten it in?
How do you calculate the equity and when you can call?

888 Poker - $1 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 172.11 BB (VPIP: 57.29, PFR: 12.35, 3Bet Preflop: 1.28, Hands: 591)
BTN: 45.45 BB (VPIP: 71.78, PFR: 28.71, 3Bet Preflop: 4.23, Hands: 202)
SB: 185.2 BB (VPIP: 58.90, PFR: 17.81, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 75)
BB: 155.12 BB (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
Hero (UTG): 207.66 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A 4 7 Q

Hero raises to 3.5 BB, fold, BTN calls 3.5 BB, fold, BB calls 2.5 BB

Flop: (11 BB, 3 players) 9 3 6
BB checks, Hero bets 7 BB, BTN raises to 32 BB, fold, fold

BTN wins 24.2 BB

So btn has only 10bbs left after the raise. The pot as it stands right now is (3.5*3+1+7+32)=50.5 bbs. To put the other guy all-in we would have to put in another 35bbs ourselves to then win the 50.5 bb pot that out there + the extra 10 bbs btn is gonna call. Now lets assume btn only shoves sets and nutflushdraw. the equitys for that range are 29.6% for us and 70.339% for him.

ev= 60*0.296-35*70.339
= 17.76-24.61
= -6.85 bbs

so if he shoves like a nit yh good fold

Lets put 2 pairs in his range and some more flushdraws :
so if we include just 9876 and 6543 and any flushdraw T high or better our
chances change to 37.2474% for us and 62.7526% for him

ev = 60*0.372474-35*0.627526
= 22.34562- 21.96341
= 0.38221 bbs

This is breakeven against that range already. So if ya think he's shoving wider then this, like every straightdraw aswell or lower flushdraw etc then yh gettign it in will be ev plus in the long run. Hope this helps

Thank you! I just watched a video on PLO math to help try and walk me through hand analysis. You used propokertools, right?

Thanks again for taking the time to answer my post

Against most players here I'm bet/folding really.

@ Lunatic: Your 2nd range is slightly too loose I think? Any worse FD's that villain is shoving will always have a pair + some sort of SD or a wrap + FD. We're 40-50% against that range of worse FD's. 2 pair we're 40%ish.

@ OP: Simplest way to work it out is how much you have to put in (35bbs) divided by what the total pot size would be after you have put your chips in and villain has called... so 35/95 = 0.36.8 = 36.8% equity needed

Use PPT yourself and to see how we're doing against various hands. You can try and put in ranges but it takes a bit of practice and know how to what you're doing.

As above; best case scenario we're between 40 and 50% against his 2 pairs and worse FD's (that have something to go with them) - worst case, we're 26.7% against a better FD and 32% against a set.

Given villains wide range pre we might see a lot more pair + worse FD's and 2 pair hands where we are not in terrible shape. So, if villain has some semblance of aggressiveness in their post-flop game then it's a lot closer than I first thought. Folding in this spot is only ever going to be a small mistake IMO.

So i know its not good to generalize.. but in most spots against a short stack(low SPR), is it marginal at best if they are semi loose to call off with any flush draw w/ gutter?

- His VPIP is pretty high, and from what i remember he was spewing because he lost a stack

Ill play around in PPT more..

Yh ofc i was just given Op a chance to see what the evs are when we adjust the ranges. As we have no info as you say on villians post flop tendencies i cannot give a solid this is the correct play answer. But as you say, it will never be a huge mistake to get it in here.

Depends. If he's spewy and will literally raise any draw, pair + draw, 2 pair or set, getting it in will + ev.

You see these guys all over the place and they tend to be overaggressive getting it in with anything or calling a lot only rasing when they have it. After 200 hands you should have an idea which one it is.