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02-06-2010 , 02:55 PM

surGeonFFS

grinder

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 641

villain plays 64/9/2.5

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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UTG: $187.00
MP: $134.75
CO: $93.50
BTN: $327.05
SB: $118.10
Hero (BB): $143.95

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with K

1 fold, MP calls $1, 2 folds, SB calls $0.50, Hero checks

Flop: ($3.00) K

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.85, MP raises to $5.70, SB folds, Hero calls $2.85

Turn: ($14.40) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $5, Hero calls $5

River: ($24.40) K

(2 players)
Hero bets $17.50, MP raises to $75.75, Hero?

Fold or call?

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02-06-2010 , 02:59 PM

JustAmazing777

adept

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 994

hmm I dont think that you can donk river/ fold. You would be turning your ahnd in a bluff if you do this. So you basically have to call now even though Im not that happy about.

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02-06-2010 , 04:43 PM

ndahlhoff10

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I'm probably folding and don't hate the river donk.

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02-06-2010 , 04:56 PM

Sh1LLa

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i'd call but i'm an idiot

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02-06-2010 , 05:38 PM

ledn378

adept

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how hands are these stats for. He looks like a fishy and wont fishys play 77,44,K4 like the nuts esp if they come from holdem??? Maybe im the fishy who knows

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02-06-2010 , 05:40 PM

evitooo

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Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,432

meh i sigh and fold half the time, sigh and call the other half. not liking my decision either way when i make it =\ rly depends on villain specific.

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02-06-2010 , 05:48 PM

mdb77

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Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 958

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Originally Posted by JustAmazing777

hmm I dont think that you can donk river/ fold. You would be turning your ahnd in a bluff if you do this.

how is that?

as for the river im probably calling and not feeling great about it

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02-06-2010 , 05:56 PM

hammer_time

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I call assuming it's not a reg. I fold against any half decent opponent.

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02-06-2010 , 06:26 PM

ChroniclesOfHarry

centurion

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 147

Next time would you consider raising his turn feeler bet? Either way im folding vs a decent player.

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02-06-2010 , 06:38 PM

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surGeonFFS

grinder

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The title should say raised, not reraised. I always mix those two up for some reason.

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02-06-2010 , 07:25 PM

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JustAmazing777

adept

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 994

I guess that there might be some likelyhood that he will raise K4 here on the river given that he is probably a fish and that you donked river so small. This reason should be good enough for a call imo.

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02-06-2010 , 08:20 PM

#12

secondnuts

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Donk bigger

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02-06-2010 , 10:05 PM

#13

FalconTi0

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Against a bad player I think this 77xx a lot of the time IMO

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02-07-2010 , 12:33 AM

#14

monikrazy

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Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 28,286

against this agressive a villain i call or jam

vil def capable of betting worse (like a str8) or bluffing, i dont think i could ever fold to this fishy a line

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02-10-2010 , 04:02 PM

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Stryd0r

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Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,723

Are you expecting him to flat all worse fullhouses to river lead? If so, your river donk is bad, because he's going to value bet most/all of those himself.

As played, crying call but expect to be shown the nuts a fair amount, the same hand, but enough worse FHs to make it profitable.

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02-10-2010 , 04:09 PM

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Sphere99991

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Originally Posted by Sh1LLa

i'd call but i'm an idiot

Haha, this +100. I call because I can think of other hands this villain might do this with (77xx and 44xx in particular). Nothing wrong with the river donk imo.

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02-10-2010 , 04:13 PM

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Stryd0r

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Originally Posted by Sphere99991

Nothing wrong with the river donk imo.

Yeah to clarify what I said. The river donk is only bad if you think he won't raise worse hands. So either, you donk planning to call off a raise, or don't donk.

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02-10-2010 , 07:04 PM

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WhiteWolf

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Originally Posted by Stryd0r

Yeah to clarify what I said. The river donk is only bad if you think he won't raise worse hands.

This still doesn't make sense. There are lots of spots where you can bet for value but still fold to a raise. When "he won't raise worse hands" is a perfect example, so long as he calls our lead with a sufficiently wide range.

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02-10-2010 , 08:46 PM

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Stryd0r

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Originally Posted by WhiteWolf

I wasn't saying that bet/folding is bad in any spot...I was saying that this bet/folding is bad in THIS hand, mostly because he will bet a lot of hands we are planning to getting called by, and will probably b/c them.

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