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Second nuts on river gets reraised Second nuts on river gets reraised

02-06-2010 , 02:55 PM
villain plays 64/9/2.5

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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UTG: $187.00
MP: $134.75
CO: $93.50
BTN: $327.05
SB: $118.10
Hero (BB): $143.95

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with K 5 6 9
1 fold, MP calls $1, 2 folds, SB calls $0.50, Hero checks

Flop: ($3.00) K 4 7 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.85, MP raises to $5.70, SB folds, Hero calls $2.85

Turn: ($14.40) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $5, Hero calls $5

River: ($24.40) K (2 players)
Hero bets $17.50, MP raises to $75.75, Hero?

Fold or call?
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02-06-2010 , 02:59 PM
hmm I dont think that you can donk river/ fold. You would be turning your ahnd in a bluff if you do this. So you basically have to call now even though Im not that happy about.
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02-06-2010 , 04:43 PM
I'm probably folding and don't hate the river donk.
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02-06-2010 , 04:56 PM
i'd call but i'm an idiot
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02-06-2010 , 05:38 PM
how hands are these stats for. He looks like a fishy and wont fishys play 77,44,K4 like the nuts esp if they come from holdem??? Maybe im the fishy who knows
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02-06-2010 , 05:40 PM
meh i sigh and fold half the time, sigh and call the other half. not liking my decision either way when i make it =\ rly depends on villain specific.
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02-06-2010 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by JustAmazing777
hmm I dont think that you can donk river/ fold. You would be turning your ahnd in a bluff if you do this.
how is that?

as for the river im probably calling and not feeling great about it
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02-06-2010 , 05:56 PM
I call assuming it's not a reg. I fold against any half decent opponent.
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02-06-2010 , 06:26 PM
Next time would you consider raising his turn feeler bet? Either way im folding vs a decent player.
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02-06-2010 , 06:38 PM
The title should say raised, not reraised. I always mix those two up for some reason.
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02-06-2010 , 07:25 PM
I guess that there might be some likelyhood that he will raise K4 here on the river given that he is probably a fish and that you donked river so small. This reason should be good enough for a call imo.
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02-06-2010 , 08:20 PM
Donk bigger
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02-06-2010 , 10:05 PM
Against a bad player I think this 77xx a lot of the time IMO
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02-07-2010 , 12:33 AM
against this agressive a villain i call or jam

vil def capable of betting worse (like a str8) or bluffing, i dont think i could ever fold to this fishy a line
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02-10-2010 , 04:02 PM
Are you expecting him to flat all worse fullhouses to river lead? If so, your river donk is bad, because he's going to value bet most/all of those himself.

As played, crying call but expect to be shown the nuts a fair amount, the same hand, but enough worse FHs to make it profitable.
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02-10-2010 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Sh1LLa
i'd call but i'm an idiot
Haha, this +100. I call because I can think of other hands this villain might do this with (77xx and 44xx in particular). Nothing wrong with the river donk imo.
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02-10-2010 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Sphere99991
Nothing wrong with the river donk imo.
Yeah to clarify what I said. The river donk is only bad if you think he won't raise worse hands. So either, you donk planning to call off a raise, or don't donk.
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02-10-2010 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Stryd0r
Yeah to clarify what I said. The river donk is only bad if you think he won't raise worse hands.
This still doesn't make sense. There are lots of spots where you can bet for value but still fold to a raise. When "he won't raise worse hands" is a perfect example, so long as he calls our lead with a sufficiently wide range.
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02-10-2010 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiteWolf
This still doesn't make sense. There are lots of spots where you can bet for value but still fold to a raise. When "he won't raise worse hands" is a perfect example, so long as he calls our lead with a sufficiently wide range.
I wasn't saying that bet/folding is bad in any spot...I was saying that this bet/folding is bad in THIS hand, mostly because he will bet a lot of hands we are planning to getting called by, and will probably b/c them.
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