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Right line with AAKQs? Right line with AAKQs?

10-20-2010 , 03:34 PM
I'm thinking pre was good but a Cbet might have been best here, any thoughts? Also I'm a newbie in PLO so advice on Cbet sizing on a pot this big would be appreciated.

fwiw my line of thinking was that AAKQs is a pretty big hand.. by calling UTG I would likely increase EV by increasing odds of being able to repot and trap weaker hands.. equity was great pre but the flop paralyzed me. Thanks-

Full Tilt Poker $0.01/$0.02 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 9 players - View hand 991890
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

UTG+1: $1.60
UTG+2: $3.73
MP1: $13.04
MP2: $5.31
CO: $2.17
BTN: $1.84
SB: $2.61
BB: $1.36
Hero (UTG): $4.04

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with A Q A K
Hero calls $0.02, 3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.09, CO calls $0.09, BTN calls $0.09, 1 fold, BB calls $0.07, Hero raises to $0.55, MP2 calls $0.46, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.46, BB calls $0.46

Flop: ($2.30) J 8 9 (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($2.30) 9 (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, BTN checks

River: ($2.30) J (4 players)
BB bets $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, MP2 folds, BTN calls $0.02
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10-20-2010 , 03:47 PM
wp, dont cbet
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10-20-2010 , 05:53 PM
understood, thanks
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10-20-2010 , 05:56 PM
open raise>limp raising
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10-21-2010 , 03:43 AM
get a job and move up to 5c/10c you're not going to get any better playing this low. It's almost as bad as the play money tables.
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10-21-2010 , 03:48 AM
+1 Both above comments
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10-21-2010 , 06:00 AM
AAxx hands are not good multiway. do not limp hoping to reraise. if it's one thing I notice so far in PLO, isolation raises rarely work. if ppl limp they'll call to see a flop even if it's been raised, reraised behind them.

if you raised utg, this hand might have been 2-3way and you could consider a cbet, but as played...you can't.
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10-21-2010 , 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Margaud
AAxx hands are not good multiway. do not limp hoping to reraise. if it's one thing I notice so far in PLO, isolation raises rarely work. if ppl limp they'll call to see a flop even if it's been raised, reraised behind them.

if you raised utg, this hand might have been 2-3way and you could consider a cbet, but as played...you can't.
this is not very true. you are stereotyping and generalising too much in your post, to both AA** hands and table conditions. There is just as much variance with table conditions if not more than there is with the cards your dealt. You just happen to be genreally right concerning plo2,5 and somehwat plo10.

The top of flop range is about 25-30% wide and its pretty damn strong , It depends on the AA** as to its multi way playabliilty. Double suited aces are very strong multiway as the hard hitting flops are now in the 35% region. Doubles suited double paired/str8connected and now we have a true multiway monster. or we could have AA72r which inalot of situations you should just fold.
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10-21-2010 , 08:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mt.FishNoob
this is not very true. you are stereotyping and generalising too much in your post, to both AA** hands and table conditions. There is just as much variance with table conditions if not more than there is with the cards your dealt. You just happen to be genreally right concerning plo2,5 and somehwat plo10.

The top of flop range is about 25-30% wide and its pretty damn strong , It depends on the AA** as to its multi way playabliilty. Double suited aces are very strong multiway as the hard hitting flops are now in the 35% region. Doubles suited double paired/str8connected and now we have a true multiway monster. or we could have AA72r which inalot of situations you should just fold.
OP's hand isn't double suited and the AKdd means you're not getting paid off very often if someone has the 3rd nutflush.

The bolded part is confusing, all I know is the hand isn't double suited nor double paired, so are you trying to say his hand *is* strong multiway still?

FWIW, OP is posting PLO2 hand which you admit to me being "generally right", so I'm not entirely sure why you're disagreeing.
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10-21-2010 , 08:29 AM
look at the first sentence in your previous post.
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10-21-2010 , 09:19 AM
Offsuit AA hands without connected cards are worse multiway than in headsup pots. But premium AA hands like this one are not hurt by being multiway. They win less often multiway but when they do win they win bigger pots.

It's still better to raise instead of limp, but not because you want to get the pot heads up, but to get value for your hand.
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10-21-2010 , 11:33 AM
its mainly too have a bigger pot the next time it comes around aswell
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10-21-2010 , 03:38 PM
It's mainly in the hope this sort of thing happens.

Ongame Network $25.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
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CO: $26.23
BTN: $23.41
SB: $10.50
BB: $30.80
Hero (UTG): $19.79

Pre Flop: ($0.50) Hero is UTG with A A Q Q
Hero raises to $0.88, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.88, SB raises to $1.51, BB calls $1.26, Hero raises to $6.92, BTN raises to $23.41, SB calls $8.99 all in, BB calls $21.90, Hero calls $12.87 all in

Flop: ($77.11) T 3 8 (4 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: ($77.11) 6 (4 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($77.11) A (4 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $77.11
BTN shows T 7 6 7
SB shows K 2 2 K
BB shows T 8 J 9
Hero shows A A Q Q
(Rake: $1.50)
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10-21-2010 , 07:19 PM
Yeah, OP sometimes your awesome preflop hand becomes trash postflop. Well played all the way trough.
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