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01-15-2015 , 10:32 PM
Racking my brain to think what he could have. Q and a nut FD? low rundown with a FD? Set?

If it were a HU pot, I think I would have took my chance that my aces were still good, and take a gamble, as villain can by a bit reckless. He doubled me up on another 1/2 table not long before, 3 betting pre in a 3 way pot with 569J in the SB and Cbet pot, than proceeded to call my allin raise on a flop of A56r after MP (original preflop raiser) had folded. I had A678.

However, given that he raised my cbet with a player still behind, I decided to pick another spot. I think my cbet was ok, after all, if you can't cbet aces on these type of flop, why 3 bet with aces pre?

iPoker - €2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: €209.91 (VPIP: 30.71, PFR: 19.23, 3Bet Preflop: 6.53, Hands: 3,158)
CO: €459.20 (VPIP: 27.46, PFR: 18.90, 3Bet Preflop: 8.35, Hands: 1,225)
BTN: €214.35 (VPIP: 19.59, PFR: 11.60, 3Bet Preflop: 5.02, Hands: 3,464)
Hero (SB): €326.00
BB: €790.57 (VPIP: 37.76, PFR: 12.45, 3Bet Preflop: 3.31, Hands: 740)

Hero posts SB €1.00, BB posts BB €2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: €3.00) Hero has A J A J

fold, fold, BTN raises to €6.00, Hero raises to €20.00, BB calls €18.00, BTN calls €14.00

Flop: (€60.00, 3 players) 2 Q 3
Hero bets €42.00, BB raises to €186.00, fold, fold,
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01-15-2015 , 10:47 PM
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Q and a nut FD? low rundown with a FD? Set?
yes all the above are in his range... his Q + flush draw does not have to be nut though at this depth.

I bet smaller on flop... 28-31 . His call/shove ranges won't be so different. it's an easy b/f aswell, because he always has 40%+ and you can be down to 1 out + running broadway/quad jacks/boat.

NO reads on post flop play so... not going to be check raising or bet/calling . His preflop range seems tight enough, with low VPIP suggesting he is not so much wider relative to strong position.

Given some post flop assumptions on his play, it can be interesting. For instance I am just flatting your cbet of this high with some hands , maybe,

Last edited by Mt.FishNoob; 01-15-2015 at 10:53 PM.
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01-15-2015 , 11:21 PM
Re: the bet sizing. 3/4 or pot are my standard bet, depending on how I feel and whether Jupiter is in alignment with Mars. If I had a set with the nut FD plus an open-ender, I would still bet either 3/4 or pot.

It was one of the legacy of my live days, where I worry about giving away infro if I decide to bet different amounts depending on my hand, as I was mostly playing against a small circle. of players. I think this is probably wasted in online poker, as most people are digital, they see a bet or a check, and do not take too much notice of the size most of the time, unless we are talking about silly sizing like a min bet.

Probably need to look at this aspect of my game, and see if I can vary my bet sizing a little.
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01-15-2015 , 11:49 PM
I think you are less flexible in mis direction and more routinely definable if you just have a 3/4 pot bet button and your play is digitized , using the word digital is interesting as that is the actual reason behind it and the argument i've always used for this discussion. But some people are better with digital paly > analogue. Their arguments are flawed though, because you can balance much more things than just your frequancy : your range.
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01-16-2015 , 12:50 AM
hey, I have more than the 3/4 button. I also have the pot button!

Someone somewhere has probably tagged meanings to each bet...but as far as I know, I use them on a random basis.

Basing size on range is doable, if we stick to a balanced plan. Must look into it in more detail.
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01-16-2015 , 01:29 AM
Everyone has a pot button. It is forced by default - by a situation - mostly when fold equity is not significant + opponent t is trapped vs your value . Wheras 3/4 pot is subjective, unless you should be potting but you aren't because it's a 'tactic'. Whatever subjectivity behind the reaosning is going to have a relationship to the 'room' available, which should be some kind of exploit. I don't see any purpose in having random usage and perhaps it is not as random as you think. Flipping between two stances, sure 'did he just flip his stance or not, I can never know' , but if he has 17 stances, he can make more than half of them beating your two stances. This is in the realms of language break down and so that's enough for me on this topic because it reveals my drug issues.

See von neumanns min max theorem. Which I can't comprehend whatsoever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimax

Last edited by Mt.FishNoob; 01-16-2015 at 01:34 AM.
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