Shallow table, just sat down, no reads.

Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.50 BB (6 handed)

Hero (Button) ($19.25)
SB ($40.85)
BB ($41.05)
UTG ($73.30)
MP ($29.15)
CO ($24.65)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, 9, 10, 10
1 fold, MP bets $1.50, CO calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, SB calls $1.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($6.50) 6, K, K (4 players)
SB checks, MP checks, CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($6.50) 2 (4 players)
SB checks, MP checks, CO checks, Hero bets $4, SB calls $4, 2 folds

River: ($14.50) Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $13.75 (All-In), SB calls $13.75

Total pot: $42 | Rake: $2.10


My thinking was that the nuts were unlikely on that board and that trips would bet to protect the vast majority of the time once the FD appears.
when I got called, I figured non believing AA**, QQ** or FD that would give up to a river shove, or again, slowplayed nuts, but just much less likely and way fewer combos

3.5

I think you have enought SD value to check back.

Thank you, good point.

3.5

multiway pot. hate it.

4way this is horrible

Whether these merging bluffs work is highly villain specific, and I think going for it readless makes ur bluff terribad.

Avoid marginal stuff vs unknowns. Villain had quads, right?

What exactly are you repping after checking the flop?

F-

This sounds bad for a variety of reason.

1)with 4 ppl in the pot it's very likely somebody got the K. Maybe their not betting it waiting to checkraise, or they have very trashy sidecards and fearing their hand might not be best. Hell, they might even have the underfull (or quads)

2) Granted by the turn the check of everybody is a strong indicator of weakness. Only problem being that having you checked in late, is hard for you to rep the king now. You would have bet, wouldn't you?

3) The SB call is very odd. He called a raise pre with bad position, and now calls you on the turn. He's got something. Might be a FD, or a big pocket pair, or a trashy K/trashy full house. It's hard to know given no read, no stats.

4) Most importantly as the queen hits the turn and he checks you are badly missusing your button. The question here is: what can you beat? A missed FD or a smaller two pair. What's his going to call you with? Only with hands that beats yours, and is not going to let down any one of those especially given how the hand played out. What can you make him fold? Only hands he'll lose at the showdown, so no point in bluffing those.

You've got enough to take the showdown, and that's what you should do. You bluff when you think you can make somebody put down the best hand, so here is pointless.

One of the advantage of position is the ability to control the pot size, avoiding risking money when you are in a tough/weird spot.

5) Also bet sizing seems odd to me. Say you're repping Ks full or 6s full you'd like to get a caller, so on the river it makes more sense (and is more prudent) to bet less like half the pot or less making it look like a piddling valuebet. But again, you'd better just showdown.

6) Remember you are in position, checked the flop, and bet the turn. People will suspect you're trying to buy it, especially if the last bet puts you all in, because in that case is easier for you to bet, since you cannot be checkraised

These are my toughts, hope it helps, sorry for the long one.

Poor bluff do to the number of players in the hand.

spew horrible bluff esp with the q in your hand to check back thou its almost never good but then this never gets a fold from the turn call

No, this is exactly the kind of feedback I was looking for, thanks.

I agree that the river shove is terrible once I hit the Q, but I barely saw that.
For once I didn't even see my own hand and was purely focused on what I thought he had.

My experience at these stakes is that when everyone checks again on the turn with the FD out there, no one has K or a boat a very high % of the time (the boat just because they'd bet it for value at this point and also because you'd rather lead and get potentially 2 streets of value than C/R with an underfull and only get called/jammed on by better).

I think I'm repping fairly well a slowplayed K on the flop that was waiting for someone to bet the turn and is now betting for value/protection.

I expect to get called by some AA** (nits fold AA** at this point 4 way), FD's, and quads. Again, from my experience of the play at these stakes, I expect very few K*** hands.
In that regard, the rivered Q doesn't really change anything since I had pocket TT's anyway and I'm unlikely to have been called by JJ's, so I'm pretty much only trying to fold out AA** or a FD, which I have beat, so I think a check back is definitely much better.

I think it comes down to how often he has a slowplayed monster as opposed to AA**, and whether I can get him to lay down AA**.

If he was calling one off and lays down AA** 100% of the time to my shove, I think there are more combos of AA** than K*** given the action, so thinking of it that way, a shove is not necessarily that bad.

He ended up having QQA* with the NFD, and rivered a boat.
I'm pretty sure he would've laid down his hand if not, but obviously I don't want to be results oriented.

However, I've been having great success over a large sample with these multiway stabs IP.

I find that people will rarely check trips once a FD is out there, especially given board texture.
I wouldn't attempt this kind of steal on KQJ8ss even is everyone checks twice, but KK62 is a much different texture and I'm confident in my read that, at these stakes at least, once the action goes like that, no one has a K 80+% of the time.

River shove is bad in retrospect since I'm trying to fold out one specific hand, even though not as terrible as most itt think imo, because it's a very likely hand for him to have and I think he folds it very often to a shove, but that's where it's at obviously. If he folds AA** almost all the time, it might be worth it since he has it more often than slowplayed monsters on that board or trips that didn't protect, but without specific reads, I agree that the river shove is clearly bad.

However, I think the turn stab is still good on this board and will work a high % of the time, but maybe I've just been getting lucky with my MW stabs all this time.

I think checking back weak K*** hands is legitimate.
You're never getting 3 streets of value with ****** trips in 4 way action and when you do, it's usually bad news.

I'm repping trips that checked back flop and are now betting for value/protection against the FD once everyone checks again, which I think is very believable, plus the fact that it is a 4 way pot and that it's very possiblee I have a K in my hand, especially if no one else does, which again, I think is very likely once everyone checks twice on this specific board/turn card.

Fwiw, I'm more likely to call someone who bets this flop 4 way than bets the turn, because he's repping a super narrow value range, and one that imo should slowplay a high % of the time.

Lol dude no.

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Oh ok, now I understand. Thanks

Not really, nowadays the concept of bluffing on BU after villains checked twice is so spread out that everyone is going to know what you are doing ( maybe that is a good reason to do that in this specific situation if you had a K*** )
However when you bluff here on BU people tend to call you a looooot more.
By the way, one important concept here is that If you wait the turn to bluff you are losing leverage, because now they know that they will have to call you just on two streets and not 3 streets anymore.

I'm not saying that stabbing is wrong, I'll take a shot when there are two player in front of me, but maybe 3 is a bit chevalier.

Most likely I'll bet the flop tough. Checking a K back is not a standard play, and you end up repping what you have: a stab, which means your bluff will have less chance to succed. If you have some reason to believe they're not checking a strong hand go ahead and bet flop and turn, and eventually fold check/back the river with whatever you have got.

Also I'm not even checking back the flop with trip K (most of the time, is not bad in itself, you can reverse it AND rep the stab when you got IT when there are gutshot chaser and so around but whatever) , even the driest flop may turn out some freak monster that'll devalue your hand if you let 4 ppl in for free. Granted, they're making mistake by chasing on a paired board, but you might end up making even a bigger one when some weird backdoor draw comes. Let them be wrong when you have a hand that (reasonably, like Kxxx) is the best right now. [Tough I noted you were playing shallow, IMHO shallow table sucks, I moved to standard ones, 100bb is what's needed to play this game]

gotto bet weak trips to protect OTF, if someone calls, u can play pot control OTT.

If the turn card had paired the K instead of KK on the flop, then I'm with you on the turn.

Bluffing the river after he called that turn doesn't make much sense. The only thing you might fold out is a Q with hearts and a bigger kicker. That's probably a pretty small subset of his range.

Reread your own post. If you were a villain and were more likely to call a flop bet. Wouldn't you bet the flop for value if you had trips? You're over thinking this and levelling yourself. If your quote is true/valid, then the line you take in this hand doesn't make sense. In fact, you should be bluffing flop/turn.

And please stop PM'ing me about my 3.5 rating. You asked for a rating, I gave it. Pretty much every other response in here confirms my score.