looking through todays hands and noticed this weird hand. I don't know what to say about it so i'll just let you comment on If the turn bet is spew or not (I'm guessing it is since we could easily just check back and see the river?)

Edit: the more i look at this the more i hate the turn bet, please tell me how bad it is so i can stop myself in the future!


PL Omaha 0.05(BB)
HERO ($12.60) [VPIP: 16.1% | PFR: 9.9% | AGG: 26.8% | Flop Agg: 27.6% | Turn Agg: 29.6% | River Agg: 20.8% | 3-Bet: 2.4% | 4-Bet: 14.1% | Hands: 46731]
SB ($5.26) [VPIP: 20.8% | PFR: 15.1% | AGG: 21.5% | Hands: 213]
BB ($2.65) [VPIP: 36% | PFR: 8% | AGG: 40.5% | Hands: 52]
UTG ($5.55) [VPIP: 18.7% | PFR: 11.5% | AGG: 26.5% | Hands: 1360]
HJ ($5.38) [VPIP: 33.3% | PFR: 20% | AGG: 12.5% | Flop Agg: 20% | Turn Agg: 0% | River Agg: 0% | 3-Bet: 10% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 16]
CO ($1.72) [VPIP: 45.9% | PFR: 5.4% | AGG: 31.7% | Flop Agg: 35.3% | Turn Agg: 30.8% | River Agg: 27.3% | 3-Bet: 7.1% | 4-Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 50% | Hands: 39]

Dealt to Hero: 8 A 9 T

UTG Folds, HJ Calls $0.05, CO Calls $0.05, HERO Raises To $0.27, SB Folds, BB Folds, HJ Raises To $0.49, CO Calls $0.44, HERO Calls $0.22

Hero SPR on Flop: [0.8 effective]
Flop ($1.54): T 6 2
HJ Checks, CO Bets $1.23 (allin), HERO Calls $1.23 (Rem. Stack: $10.88), HJ Calls $1.23 (Rem. Stack: $3.66)

Turn ($5.23): T 6 2 3
HJ Checks, HERO Bets $5.03 (Rem. Stack: $5.85), HJ Folds

River ($10.26): T 6 2 3 4

Thoughts on not raising the flop here? Too nitty? If i did raise and i were to get reraised would i just go with it?

PL Omaha 0.05(BB)
HERO ($5.10) [VPIP: 16.1% | PFR: 9.9% | AGG: 26.8% | Flop Agg: 27.6% | Turn Agg: 29.6% | River Agg: 20.8% | 3-Bet: 2.4% | 4-Bet: 14.1% | Hands: 46731]
SB ($5) [VPIP: 21.3% | PFR: 10.3% | AGG: 25.6% | Flop Agg: 23.3% | Turn Agg: 32.3% | River Agg: 20% | 3-Bet: 0.4% | 4-Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 21.3% | Hands: 796]
BB ($5) [VPIP: 17.1% | PFR: 12.6% | AGG: 14.3% | Flop Agg: 18.2% | Turn Agg: 16% | River Agg: 5.3% | 3-Bet: 12.5% | 4-Bet: 66.7% | Cold Call: 7.4% | Hands: 202]
UTG ($6.21) [VPIP: 45.5% | PFR: 19.5% | AGG: 36.7% | Hands: 81]
HJ ($5.34) [VPIP: 49% | PFR: 34.2% | AGG: 17.9% | Hands: 206]
CO ($12.34) [VPIP: 39.7% | PFR: 25.6% | AGG: 33.3% | Hands: 80]

Dealt to Hero: 8 J 7 9

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $0.17, SB Calls $0.15, BB Calls $0.12

Hero SPR on Flop: [9.47 effective]
Flop ($0.51): 8 J 5
SB Checks, BB Bets $0.24 (Rem. Stack: $4.59), HERO Calls $0.24 (Rem. Stack: $4.69), SB Calls $0.24 (Rem. Stack: $4.59)

Turn ($1.23): 8 J 5 9
SB Checks, BB Checks, HERO Bets $0.78 (Rem. Stack: $3.91), SB Folds, BB Raises To $1.56 (Rem. Stack: $3.03), HERO Calls $0.78 (Rem. Stack: $3.13)

River ($4.35): 8 J 5 9 Q
BB Checks, HERO Checks

First hand I'd probably check turn, but betting is okay. If I check, I'd bet river. As played check river.

Hand 2, I'd check river, but considering you get called there with that maybe bet's alright.

Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BB: $71.45 (142.9 bb)
UTG: $45.02 (90 bb)
CO: $45.00 (90 bb)
BTN: $60.31 (120.6 bb)
Hero (SB): $108.66 (217.3 bb)

Hero posts SB $0.25, BB posts $0.50

J 7 T 9
3 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $4.50, Hero calls $3.00

Flop: ($9.00, 2 players) T 3 8
Hero checks, BB checks

Turn: ($9.00, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, BB bets $6.41, Hero raises to $27.78, BB calls $21.37

River: ($64.56, 2 players) 5
Hero bets $61.56, BB calls $39.17 and is all-in

Results: $142.90 pot ($3.00 rake)
Final Board: T 3 8 2 5

This hand should be a 4b preflop, but EV of calling wouldn't be that bad so whatever.

Flop I'd definitely consider leading. I don't mind adapting to checking if the opponent over cbets, but we have a hand that blocks a lot of cbets if they are doing it in a reasonable way at all.

Turn x/r is okay, because people with 1 pair type hands who check back flop would be pretty keen to bet on turns to protect their hands once you check twice.

River I would mostly give up because you block all the draws they are likely to have. On the other hand you unblock turned two pair or straight draws like AA4 and such that might hero call river.

Thanks for the analysis. would you go more into detail for why you would choose lead the flop, rather than a XR.

After going back i realize I should’ve 4bet pre,then played bet flop, jam turn with this particular run out.

Well, it's just a situation that we should have a lead range, as an over arching strategy solvers use. The why is sort of just some kind of somewhat made up justification, but it helps think about it, so basically your opponent will check back a lot because this board hits you a lot more, so in order to stop them from just pot controlling all the time, you need to lead some.

For what it's worth, your hand is a mix so checking sometimes is fine too. Again if people cbet too much it's nice to x/r, but you definitely want to at least consider it as an option.

Like I said, as played turn x/r is fine just give up river.

What is your guys Flop Decision Fold, Jam, or Call low SPR

BTN: $91.80 (183.6 bb)
SB: $53.24 (106.5 bb)
BB: $15.00 (30 bb)
UTG: $50.00 (100 bb)
Hero (MP): $22.36 (44.7 bb)
CO: $15.94 (31.9 bb)

SB posts $0.25, BB posts $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has 7 Q K 6
UTG raises to $1.75, Hero calls $1.75, CO calls $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, SB calls $1.50, BB calls $1.25

Flop: ($10.50, 6 players) A 8 T
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $9.98

Instafold

While probably not optimal, I was thinking a preflop raise/call was not too odd before I noticed the positions and deeper stacks (the latter being pretty nice for a combo like ours). We're going to be OOP, so we want to reduce the SPR. We've also got a combo that plays pretty simply postflop, so taking the initiative and deciding whether the flop can be checked through or not is helpful.

Note how—with a near-perfect flop—we made our customary check to the preflop aggressor, and they were just able to take a free card that does our equity no favors. That's not so easy if we 4bet.

Speaking of free cards: once villain forfeits "initiative" by checking back the flop, I think probe-betting the turn is basically mandatory. Giving them another free card when our own pot equity is somewhat precarious is just not appealing to me at all. If they just have an overpair with little chance to improve, we gain a lot by denying their equity (or at least trying to) and they really can't do all that much about it.

And if they don't fold, we're building a pot with a lot of equity in the form of our draws. That's good too, but we don't want to wait any longer because we might end up on the river with one pair.

Easy fold pre.

If you're even considering anything but insta-folding this flop you clearly need to move down in stakes. Study some then start at the lowest stakes possible. Gl!

I hesitated to comment on this hand because I worried that my preflop inclination to fold was too tight and indefensible, but now that someone else has said that first: yeah fold flop what is yous doing

Thank you for your reply can you explain your reasoning for the insta-folding this on the flop?

Is this really too wide of a call preflop?

my decision behind the action I took (Shoving Flop) was that I was Short stacked, had Flush Backdoor draws, and the immediate double gutter straight draws. OBV I don't block any Set and Two pair combos and it was a bit punt/gambly.

Thank you for your reply can you explain your reasoning for the insta-folding this on the flop?

Is this really too wide of a call preflop?

my decision behind the action I took (Shoving Flop) was that I was Short stacked, had Flush Backdoor draws, and the immediate double gutter straight draws. OBV I don't block any Set and Two pair combos and it was a bit punt/gambly.

so from MP vs UTG we want to have a pretty narrow flatting range. we do flat some hands, maybe like 4%, and the hands we want to flat are those which are just below a three bet. So we might three bet AKJT ds and flat AKJ9 single suited to the ace. KQ67 ds is a fold vs the open, but this hand is decent, playable as an RFI from UTG or MP. That being said it might be better to fold it until the CO at micro stakes where you will often be playing multiway and the non nut nature of your hand becomes more of a liability.

Agree with the above except that it's a good enough hand to RFI in UTG or MP. I'm folding, especially shortstacked.

RFI = Raise First In in case you didn't know.

In all friendliness: the flop just isn't complicated. You have no showdown value, pretty weak equity, you're facing a pot-sized bet from the preflop aggressor on an ace-high flop, and you still have a bunch of players left to act (which in itself saps your equity too... it also suggests that the flop bettor is not nervous at all about what anyone has).

Your reasons for sticking around just aren't good ones.

How do you guys play the turn with board pairing and 1 player all in on flop?

CO: $84.42 (168.8 bb)
BTN: $53.64 (107.3 bb)
Hero (SB): $53.59 (107.2 bb)
BB: $10.34 (20.7 bb)
UTG: $34.38 (68.8 bb)
MP: $31.41 (62.8 bb)

Hero posts SB $0.25, BB posts $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has 9 5 K K
UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, BB calls $2.00, UTG calls $2.00, MP calls $2.00

Flop: ($10.00, 4 players) Q 7 6
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets $9.50, Hero calls $9.50, BB calls $7.84 and is all-in, fold

Turn: ($36.84, 3 players) 6

Preflop is marginal at higher rake, so a fold, but I think expanding range is "okay". That said this hand doesn't play super well multiway so, you'd need quite an edge on the raiser to really do this. 3betting could be an okay adaptation. You'd 3b to call a 4b.

As played, everyone has to tighten up MW. Easy fold, even with better hands.

Just fold flop, seriously. MW, play tight. Especially with players to act. Even with 2 bdfd, you're not gonna be happy getting jammed on when you turn it.

Don't get tied to hand just because you're PFR.

As played, blocking small on turn is okay if OOP. Fold to any significant action. IP, check back or fold to bet.

You want to 3b/call 4b (virtually all-in) with this hand VS a UTG open with 4 players left to act behind you? Why?

? Because it’s a potentially profitable 3b, and then once you get 4b it’s obviously a profitable call heads up.

If we’re 3betting we’re not actually going to go 3way very much, but, sure if someone cold calls and then we get 4b sure we can fold, but obviously the assumption is that doesn’t happen.

So firstly, we can see here, 1 combo is actually a slightly +EV 3b LJ vs HJ.

Here if we assume a weaker range we're against, and use a later position:



You 3b all good suit combos.



Expand further and it's 100% 3b.

So yeah, you ask why? I ask why not?

Vision has KQ76ds MP vrs UTG being auto mucked when suited KQ but always flatted when suited K7 or K6. Heroes game is higher rake that what Vision is set up for, but if hero has an edge post flop it is not unreasonable to play in my opinion. Regardless its going to be close.

I don't use a Hud. Is it just me or is I'moldpleasefold not extremely nitty with a VPIP of 16%? I mean UTG open is 18% in the rake environment that Vision is set up for. 16% seems like self flagellation.

16% overall VPIP is pretty snug for sure. I'm at 25.7% and that is predominantly zoom where we have to play a big tighter imo than fishy reg tables. That being said if he is a newer player I'd rather he fold too often than call too often, and since his opponents are unlikely to be able to adapt well too his nitty style I'd imagine it wouldn't impact his winrate that much. I'd also like to see his 2.4% three bet increase a couple of points, although sometimes at the micros players are opening so conservatively you have to pass on a lot of prospective three bets anyway.