TopPair2Pair, definitely fold preflop. You might want to check your hand ranking in PPT just to get a clue on how loose this is.

Flop looks fine. Top set, a low gutter and a nut flushdraw blocker is certainly enough to bet here. If CO folds (which happens very frequently when he doesn't cbet), we will play the turn in position with a decent clue on what range we're up against.

When we get called by SB, I don't see a good reason to bet this turn. Getting raised is a pretty bad outcome here and there's not much to protect against since the board is already 4 to a straight. Villain will have too many straights in his range, and when he doesn't have a straight you're very comfortably ahead. Yea we let flushdraws draw for free but we block the nut flush draw (making it less likely villain has a FD) and our top set means that some of his outs are tainted.

Just check back and profit imo.

Hey, love your hu work. (soz if i come across as a dick head in reply, just interested in discussion - not being a "help me, help me - fu I aint doing that - i know it all" troll. But, are you 100% certain we should fold pre >150bb? I am not convinced these "paired up and down 1x & 2x gappers ace" hands are an auto fold. Even when rainbow.

I wouldn't go as far as to say its a leak to fold, but, maybe more of drip(?)... ie I'm suggesting we can (if conditions warrant it) ring fence this tiny air segment into a value-opportunity or fold-equity holding instead of (-ante) folds.

All rainbow hands below.

Hand	Rank:2h	Percentile
AK55	6755	41.109%
AQ55	7963	48.460%
AJ55	8981	54.656%
AT55	9641	58.672%
A755	9765	59.427%
A855	9962	60.626%
A655	10448	63.583%
A955	10875	66.182%
A554	11845	72.085%
A553	13039	79.351%
A552	14097	85.790%

Hand	Rank:3h	Percentile
AK55	6987	42.521%
AQ55	8243	50.164%
AJ55	9854	59.968%
A755	10469	63.711%
AT55	11017	67.046%
A655	11193	68.117%
A855	11233	68.361%
A955	12014	73.113%
A554	12113	73.716%
A553	13484	82.059%
A552	14703	89.478%

Hand	Rank:4h	Percentile
AK55	7237	44.042%
AQ55	9158	55.733%
AJ55	10619	64.624%
A755	10900	66.334%
A855	11564	70.375%
AT55	11696	71.178%
A655	11760	71.568%
A554	12421	75.590%
A955	12867	78.305%
A553	13652	83.082%
A552	14896	90.652%

Regrds, Tops

Also, btns 3bet ranges is miniscule, his heavily implied here and stacks off incorrectly in reraised pots in some spots/plays badly multiway. No way I'm letting this go whaleVbtn hu here, don't think squeexing 4b is an option pre.

BTN: 196.4 BB (VPIP: 22.46, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 2.33, Hands: 142)
SB: 227 BB (VPIP: 60.61, PFR: 36.36, 3Bet Preflop: 23.08, Hands: 33)
BB: 345.4 BB (VPIP: 94.44, PFR: 38.89, 3Bet Preflop: 22.22, Hands: 36)
UTG: 519.8 BB (VPIP: 38.78, PFR: 30.61, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 99)
Hero (MP): 250 BB
CO: 149.6 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, 6 players post ante of 0.2 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.6 BB) Hero has 8 6 9 9

fold, Hero raises to 4.6 BB, CO calls 4.6 BB, BTN raises to 21 BB, fold, BB calls 20 BB, Hero calls 16.4 BB, CO calls 16.4 BB

Flop: (85.6 BB, 4 players) 2 4 5
BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: (85.6 BB, 4 players) 8
BB bets 6 BB, Hero

The 9986s is a bit of a loose open but can't be too bad. Once you get 3bet and it's likely to go multyway, flatting is pretty standard. Now on the turn I just call this tiny bet. I don't know what range he's doing this with, and I know that flatting is guaranteed to be profitable while that may or may not not be the case for raising.

Regarding the A755r: Being deep in position is not an excuse to play every hand. Just like in holdem you won't flat a cutoff raise with 95o, I don't think you can flat A755r. I checked the hand rank now and it's in the 68th percentile, which is just awful.

It would be a loose open on the button if it's folded to you, and there are definitely some players that you won't have a profitable button steal against with that hand. So a hand that is towards the bottom of your button opening range certainly can't call a CO open.

Okay, thanks for the reply. Maybe its just something i am used to getting away with live and from my home games. some furher rationale as to why below. but i'll let the topic rest now!! ha



(((((A22[3-5]),A33[4-6]),A44[5-7]),A55[6-8]),A66[7-9]):xyzw

,	38.7137%	38.3605%	0.7064%	1918025	35320
5%-22%	61.2863%	60.9331%	0.7064%	3046655	35320

(((((A22[3-5]),A33[4-6]),A44[5-7])A55[6-8]),A66[7-9])!xyzw

,	43.0759%	42.7464%	0.6591%	2137318	32957
5%-22%	56.9241%	56.5945%	0.6591%	2829725	32957

T987-5432!wxzy	40.5706%	40.1496%	0.8420%	2007480	42098
5%-22%	59.4294%	59.0084%	0.8420%	2950422	42098

Be careful relying on equity simulations as your reasoning for playing a hand, especially when it's likely to be a multyway pot. Hands that rarely make anything approaching the nuts don't get to realize their equity, especially multy-way. And by the way having 38.7% equity preflop in PLO is pretty terrible.

Hi,

i play 5plo to 10plo, mostly deep ante tables. most of the players i play against are (in my opinion) awefull there are some better players than me but i generelly feel im above table average.

Yet, i just cant win any money vs these players

So maybe im doing sth fundamentally wrong? How can i find out what it is? Here are my positional stats from this summer:


Or if maybe you could just tell me what i should look for? im really a bit desperate, esp since i would say im a decent poker player overall, i mainly play holdem (for long time now) and i always won money from 10nl to 200nl.

thanks

you are buying in full and autotopping up correct?

Post hands in here, you will get good responses from crushers. As apposed to me.

Post stats in stats thread.

The ante games seem very soft to me at the levels you speak of that somewhere between nit-tag orthodox should beat as long as buying in deep, also reraised pots are where you make money.... moreso in position that out of position. Start there 3bet more (~9-12%) and 4bet more (>1.5%). Pots will go 3 and 4 way often, reraise and call with hands that play well multiway.

Learn to pick spots to squeeze to create dead money pots in position and oop versus face up players.

Also play shorthanded. Start tables.

Study regs haaaard the player pool is smaller i believe?

Bigger sample size required also, mix stakes to increase volume. ie if you play 5plo you should play 10plo too. Or 10plo and 25plo... i dont think 2plo is worth it due to rake.

Play more per month. 36K in 2 years is not enough hands. Plus the distribution of your opponents/player pool tendencies change over time, so you need a bigger sample size over a smaller time frame to know what leaks to plug.

hope this is helpful

yes, always >=250bb.

What u mean by "reraised pots are where you make money. start there." ?

yes, reg pool is pretty small. ok, never studied any regs before. gonna do that for sure.

And sry didnt know there was special stats thread

Here for example:







Vs tightish reg/good fish:
Preflop ok? Flop ok? Do i have to ch/f turn?

edit: ty for ur help toppair, very helpfull

I mean reraise more and work on your post flop reraised pot game. run filters. oop/ip winrates compare in stats thread to winners etc. looks to me like your marginal winner to breakeven in reraised pots?

Hopefully someone more specialist and orthodox and less fps than me will help you regarding this hand, to me, pre is good

some villain 3bet info would be useful, range, %, can he fold aces or does he stack off on wet boards often post flop etc.

flop line seems good, sizing feels bad to me but depends what your trying to achieve, what do you think happens to AA** here when you c/r so big?

turn we are committed because of our flop sizing imo. well played apart from c/r size.

Nice man!!

Hate my play here. Was going to check-call turn and river. Any ideas?

partypoker - $2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 176.28 BB (VPIP: 21.97, PFR: 13.55, 3Bet Preflop: 7.12, Hands: 1,816)
BTN: 129.63 BB (VPIP: 35.26, PFR: 22.63, 3Bet Preflop: 13.33, Hands: 191)
SB: 151.52 BB (VPIP: 25.07, PFR: 16.11, 3Bet Preflop: 2.33, Hands: 724)
Hero (BB): 270.36 BB
UTG: 98.93 BB (VPIP: 34.40, PFR: 23.21, 3Bet Preflop: 9.05, Hands: 1,694)
MP: 66.27 BB (VPIP: 73.93, PFR: 16.19, 3Bet Preflop: 4.67, Hands: 215)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 3 A 3 A

fold, MP calls 1 BB, CO raises to 4.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 15 BB, fold, CO calls 10.5 BB

Flop: (31.5 BB, 2 players) 8 5 K
Hero bets 21 BB, CO calls 21 BB

Turn: (73.5 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, CO checks

River: (73.5 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, CO bets 54 BB, Hero calls 54 BB

bet turn
CO has a very nice raise/gii hand vs your range btw. Would be silly to do anything but pot after you cbet in his shoes.

Need a quicky check on my line.
Vilian is 52/29/1 over 90hands

Some postflop stats would be useful...

Cbet = 44
WTSD = 36
WSD = 53
AF = 1.4
AQ = 38

Let me what other stats you want.

What do you guys think about my line? I used pokerjuice and gave villain this range. Am I giving him too wide of a range? Looking at the results we have the equity to bluff catch on board pairing cards (if he is barreling as wide as I think.

http://hh.pokerjuice.com/hh/bCKq6li3lF

if your ranges are correct you gotta ship turn.

Did think about shipping turn, do you find that players at 25PLO raise this flop with a fair amount of draws, I feel like it's very dynamic and he should have a wider range here.

I think that I need work ranging my opponents and was not sure if that is most players are raising here.

Am I a spew-tard here or is this line ok?

PokerStars - $0.10 Ante $0.02 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $25.43 (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 12.82, 3Bet Preflop: 1.85, Hands: 117)
BTN: $39.11 (VPIP: 46.67, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 31)
Hero (SB): $15.92

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10, 3 players post ante of $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.21) Hero has T J K Q

fold, Hero raises to $0.20, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.46, 2 players) 9 6 J
Hero bets $0.28, BB raises to $0.95, Hero raises to $3.29, BB calls $2.34

Turn: ($7.04, 2 players) A
Hero bets $6.74,


Is this ok deep? Villain is a reg...doesn't do anything frisky generally, will rse flop wit set/2pair, don't know how much with draws.

No. Dont thinkso. Looks okay to me when oop, we're 40/60 versus sets 55/45 versus limp call range and getting a good price on turn. Even against 89 we getting priced in on that basis that he never ONLY plays like this on turn with 89.

If he gets there on river so be it. Sucks for us if had us suckered with Ahxh+draw but i still think you played it well.

Really need to buy into these games at 250bb with auto topup enabled due to rake cap crushing our winrate if we buy in for less than max.. and ideally we want to be sitting like 500bb deep in these games because of the level of 3bets/4bets/multiway action with trash that we hulk smash postflop.

Turn sizing makes things really awkard, i dont think i lead turn unless were 250eff.... I dunno. Hopefully someone who knows what they are talking about chimes in

PokerStars - $0.10 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 46.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
Hero (SB): 202.4 BB
BB: 139.9 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 16)
UTG: 801.3 BB (VPIP: 21.28, PFR: 14.89, 3Bet Preflop: 3.23, Hands: 94)
MP: 117.2 BB (VPIP: 44.44, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
CO: 93.3 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K T J Q

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB raises to 9 BB, Hero raises to 27 BB, BB raises to 81 BB, fold

BB wins 54 BB

First is the 4bet ok? Second, I'm assuming villain at least has decent Aces to 5 bet right?

My first impression is that the 4-bet is fine, and folding that hand is a borderline crime. You very nearly get the odds to JAM if villain flips over AA (which is what he most obviously has). There's still some money left behind, so if you just call, you get to fold the A22dd -sorts of flops. He's never folding when you hit.