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Villain is new to the table but has limped/called twice.

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Dealt to Hero 7

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.70, SB calls $0.60, fold

FLOP ($1.60) A

SB checks, Hero bets $1.40, SB calls $1.40

TURN ($4.40) A

SB checks, Hero checks

RIVER ($4.40) A 4 Q J

SB bets $1.40, Hero ?

Is this a fold or should I call the river?

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09-13-2011 , 03:05 PM

#3827

silver18

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I think it's an easy fold even with those pot odds, no flushdraw or oesd+ that missed, even then idk if i'm calling often this bet.

Also you can cbet less on such boards in general.

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09-13-2011 , 03:57 PM

#3828

Pickaface

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Thanks.

Is this an easy raise even with two players behind us?

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Dealt to Hero T

UTG raises to $0.70, CO calls $0.70, fold, SB calls $0.60, Hero calls $0.50

FLOP ($2.80) J

[color=red]SB bets $2.10, Hero ?

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09-13-2011 , 05:49 PM

#3829

steamingdonk

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Does HEM not track 5card plo tables?

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09-13-2011 , 06:14 PM

#3830

napsus

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one of the spots when i feel quite lost otr.
villain plays 51/9 w/ 34% river agg
c/c or c/f?

€0.25/€0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
6 Players
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Stacks:
napsus (UTG) (€50.44)
UTG+1 (€40.66)
CO (€46.24)
BTN (€23.90)
SB (€44.52)
BB (€99.57)

Pre-Flop: (€0.75, 6 players) napsus is UTG 8

napsus raises to €1.50, UTG+1 calls €1.50, 2 folds, SB calls €1.25, 1 fold

Flop: 5

(€5, 3 players)
SB checks, napsus bets €3.75, UTG+1 calls €3.75, SB folds

Turn: 10

(€12.50, 2 players)
napsus bets €10, UTG+1 calls €10

River: 5

(€32.50, 2 players)

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09-13-2011 , 06:18 PM

#3831

roggles

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Quote:

Originally Posted by steamingdonk

Does HEM not track 5card plo tables?

It doesn't understand your hole cards

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09-13-2011 , 07:29 PM

#3832

Ap0c

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MP is a fish he has no idea what he is doing basicly and BB is a extremely aggressive fish that i've seen him getting it in vs 4bet with hands like: 5526r and KJ45s

Dealing cards
HERO: A

UTG Folds
MP-Fish Calls €1.00
CO Folds
HERO Raises to €4.50
SB Folds
BB-AggroFish Raises to €15.00
MP-Fish Calls €14.00
HERO Raises to €60.50
BB-AggroFish Calls €45.50
MP-Fish Calls €45.50
Flop: K

BB-AggroFish Bets €59.00 (ALL-IN)
xavi8 Calls €39.50 (ALL-IN)
HERO Calls €40.10 (ALL-IN)
total pot €297.50

I dont like the flop but i dont know if i can find a fold in such a situation since they both can easily have bad draws or just TP hands, am i right?

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09-13-2011 , 10:52 PM

#3833

Ankimo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by napsus

napsus raises to €1.50, UTG+1 calls €1.50, 2 folds, SB calls €1.25, 1 fold

Flop: 5

(€5, 3 players)
SB checks, napsus bets €3.75, UTG+1 calls €3.75, SB folds

Turn: 10

(€12.50, 2 players)
napsus bets €10, UTG+1 calls €10

River: 5

(€32.50, 2 players)

I'd ignore the river aggression stat as it's kind of useless without other info.

So thinking about hand ranges and the villain's perceived hand range for you...

87xx doesn't seem likely to be in your UTG opening hand range so if villain has a set or 2pair here, it's likely he'd have raised you on an earlier street. Villain likely has flushdraws, 34xx, 74xx, x9QJ, x9J8 type hands based on f/t actions.

problem is villain has just under a post sized bet left so it's bad to bet/fold.

bet call $17 > cc > cf

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09-14-2011 , 03:40 AM

#3834

silver18

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Pickafe, just call, you will be in really bad shape if 2 players get it in and almost never favourite heads-up.

I played 5card plo with hud, you just need to use the table finder everytime.

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09-14-2011 , 06:24 AM

#3835

buckyohare1985

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pickaface

Thanks.

Is this an easy raise even with two players behind us?

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Dealt to Hero T

UTG raises to $0.70, CO calls $0.70, fold, SB calls $0.60, Hero calls $0.50

FLOP ($2.80) J

[color=red]SB bets $2.10, Hero ?

With FD on board and 2 players behind, a raise is bad

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09-14-2011 , 06:30 AM

#3836

buckyohare1985

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Quote:

Originally Posted by napsus

napsus raises to €1.50, UTG+1 calls €1.50, 2 folds, SB calls €1.25, 1 fold

Flop: 5

(€5, 3 players)
SB checks, napsus bets €3.75, UTG+1 calls €3.75, SB folds

Turn: 10

(€12.50, 2 players)
napsus bets €10, UTG+1 calls €10

River: 5

(€32.50, 2 players)

I normally c/c with possible missed fd out there but would be interested to hear other views on this as i seem to lose A LOT with this line!

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09-14-2011 , 06:35 AM

#3837

napsus

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thanks a million for the feedback guys, I'll make this HH an own thread to get more comments

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09-14-2011 , 06:36 AM

#3838

buckyohare1985

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ankimo

I'd ignore the river aggression stat as it's kind of useless without other info.

So thinking about hand ranges and the villain's perceived hand range for you...

87xx doesn't seem likely to be in your UTG opening hand range so if villain has a set or 2pair here, it's likely he'd have raised you on an earlier street. Villain likely has flushdraws, 34xx, 74xx, x9QJ, x9J8 type hands based on f/t actions.

problem is villain has just under a post sized bet left so it's bad to bet/fold.

bet call $17 > cc > cf

This is great logic vs thinking players but i doubt 51/9 villain thinks bout hands in this way. I would not expect such passive villains to raise earlier streets with 2 pair and maybe not even sets considering possible straight on board

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09-14-2011 , 08:04 AM

#3839

Pickaface

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Both are loose fish.

What's my plan? I'm guessing that BB has a wide range when he calls. I think he raises most of his set and twopair combos so not too worried about him.

Vs SB's range I'm thinking something like this:

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board: A

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
4cAsJcKc	51.77%	242,922	135,449
(22, JJ, A2, AJ)	48.23%	221,629	135,449

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Dealt to Hero 5

fold, Hero raises to $0.70, SB calls $0.60, BB calls $0.50

FLOP ($2.10) A

SB bets $2.10, BB calls $2.10, [color=red]Hero raises ?

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09-14-2011 , 02:09 PM

#3840

blaze2007

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BB: $52.80
UTG: $62.50
CO: $33.15
Hero (BTN): $50.00
SB: $99.10

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with J

UTG raises to $1.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $6, SB raises to $20.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $14.25

Flop: ($42.75) K

(2 players)
SB bets $40.75, Hero folds? ($30 left)

Pre fine I quess? Now easy fold since we flop nothing, except backdoors right?

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09-14-2011 , 05:01 PM

#3841

fruor

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blaze2007

UTG raises to $1.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $6, SB raises to $20.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $14.25

Flop: ($42.75) K

(2 players)
SB bets $40.75, Hero folds? ($30 left)

Pre fine I quess? Now easy fold since we flop nothing, except backdoors right?

I like to flat on button to maintain the chance for a perfect play on every flop (that is, not being committed after 4/5bet). Would 3bet in every other position though.

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09-15-2011 , 03:48 AM

#3842

silver18

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Villian is 40/4 over 70 hands. Std check/fold on this board vs this sizeing?

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Dealt to Hero Q

fold, UTG+1 raises to $3, fold, BTN calls $3, Hero raises to $13, fold, fold, BTN calls $10

FLOP ($30) T

Hero checks, BTN bets $28.50, Hero folds

BTN wins $28.50

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09-15-2011 , 10:51 AM

#3843

Jub.

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Villain is 43/15/15 after 48 hands.....assume I know the right move on the turn....is preflop okay also...figure he will have a fairly wide 3bet range despite the small sample size?

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Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)
SB: $4.04 (40.4 bb)
BB: $6.70 (67 bb)
UTG: $28.09 (280.9 bb)
MP: $9.58 (95.8 bb)
CO: $3.55 (35.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with J

3 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, SB folds, BB raises to $0.65, Hero calls $0.45

Flop: ($1.35) 2

(2 players)
BB bets $1.29, Hero calls $1.29

Turn: ($3.93) 2

(2 players)
BB bets $3.74

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09-15-2011 , 08:14 PM

#3844

N0o0o0b

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BB: $57.15
Hero (BTN/SB): $45.20

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN/SB with 7

Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $4.50, Hero raises to $13.50, BB calls $9

Flop: ($27.00) 3

(2 players)

Spoiler:

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09-16-2011 , 01:11 AM

#3845

Ankimo

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no reads

bet the turn or not? I don't think he flats KJ on flop but turn is horrible for me if he has like KQJx. then river is at best calling for chop

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SB: $50 (100 bb)
BB: $38.25 (76.5 bb)
UTG: $48 (96 bb)
MP: $156.85 (313.7 bb)
CO: $78.70 (157.4 bb)
Hero (BTN): $44.75 (89.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 7

UTG folds, MP raises to $1.75, CO folds, Hero calls $1.75, SB folds, BB calls $1.25

Flop: ($5.50) 9

(3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $4.65, BB calls $4.65, MP folds

Turn: ($14.80) T

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($14.80) 8

(2 players)
BB bets $11.50, Hero folds

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09-16-2011 , 06:48 AM

#3846

napsus

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wp in my opinion

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09-16-2011 , 07:12 AM

#3847

funkypanda

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Rather bet on turn and then see what happens

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09-16-2011 , 01:36 PM

#3848

ERRRRRRRRRR

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Quote:

Originally Posted by funkypanda

Rather bet on turn and then see what happens

don't

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09-17-2011 , 11:10 AM

#3849

lordhonse

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std reg..is he bluffing here often enough to make this profitable?

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BTN: $83.12 (166.2 bb)
SB: $122.31 (244.6 bb)
BB: $59.53 (119.1 bb)
Hero (CO): $50 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J

Hero raises to $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($4.25) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $3.18, BTN calls $3.18

Turn: ($10.61) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $7.95, BTN calls $7.95

River: ($26.51) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $19.88, Hero raises to $37.12 and is all-in