QT98ss (Qd9d) on the button - Hwang in "PLO Poker" says it's a fold if there's a raise and two callers to you. I'm only a PLO noob - do other players agree with this? Could this be a call in 6-max but a fold in full-ring? It certainly seems tighter than I've seen players playing so far. Thanks in advance.

I don't think I can fold that hand for any price :-P

+1 PLO is a gambling game. You shouldn't worry TOO much about preflop play. You make your money on the turn and river mostly.

PF is underrated and Post is overrated.
Ofc, snap-squeeze with QT98ss.

How is postflop overrated????

This is page 81 btw. Jeff's reason is "That the gap is on the top marginalizes the hand."

bc

I think Jeff means that
if you play FR with a bunch of nitty players
and you act after a bet and two callers your hand is likely
to be dominated and also likely not many of your cards, and the cards you need are left in the deck.

So a solid preflop game and a mediocre postflop game = winner?

He might be right since you are likely to get it in dominated but I'm still not folding.

i would fold it facing a 3bet in the blinds. maybe. if the players involved were very solid.
edit: id probably cold 4bet before i fold vs most tables. fold prelogin if you are considering folding this on the button ever in a 2bet pot.

i usually wouldnt fold this in that scenario.

call at 100bb and maybe 3bet if 150bb? some thoughts

folding this on the button to a single raise regardless of circumstances sounds pretty silly.

however, the difference in value with the gap on the top instead of the bottom is probably highly underrated in general and that is most likely just his point with this statement.

Sounds like nobody agrees with Jeff's advice on the above

Maybe one more piece of advice that no-one seems to follow:
(from page 100) "...you should usually just call with Aces from late position when facing a raise." Any votes for that one?

From the horses mouth...
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/38...-hands-567891/

Lol at folding that on button.

i think you can conclude that not many agree with this ridiculously nitty theory

The 'you' in that sentence is important; the assumption is that, if you're reading this book, you probably don't have a balanced 3bet range, so your opponents are more likely to read you for aces when you 3bet. That's not really applicable, though, as soon as you get to midstakes, as people are more likely to assume a random doesn't just 3bet AA.

Dig into your DBs. I think you'd be surprised how unprofitable QT89ss is.

I was.

I swear for years virtually everyone played PLO significantly too loose imo. It's a lot better now unfortunately.

Four cards really screws with people's intuition apparently.


Also:

+11111

Folding this on the button is terribad. I agree the hand is overestamated (spelled correct?) because of the gap between T and Q, but obv to strong to fold. Squeezing like someone suggested is even worse imo

greetings from central europe, it's "overestimated"
i would never fold it either, but imo it's a lot closer than many of you think.

Originally Posted by jdp :
Sounds like nobody agrees with Jeff's advice on the above

Maybe one more piece of advice that no-one seems to follow:
(from page 100) "...you should usually just call with Aces from late position when facing a raise." Any votes for that one?

No he is definitely advocating that for everybody. The full sentence reads "This is the main reason you should usually just call with Aces from late position when facing a raise: When everybody checks to you, you know that it is not simply because they expect you to bet and a bet rates to pick up the pot a higher percentage of the time."

I guess on the plus side you gain deception, and if there's a reraise behind you might get to get in a much bigger reraise. I don't think I've seen any top players play this way though. What do you think?