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09-19-2023 , 02:05 AM

DumbosTrunk

Verified Coach PLO5

Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 7,437

Hi all,

We are 8-handed and hero raises QJJT9ss in ep and gets six callers. The sb has run up a stack with AA and he 3! it pre once that went to showdown.

Flop ($140): AJ2r. Sb pots into the field. Folds to hero $800 eff. with one behind us. We block KQT wraps and unblock top set but we have the second nuts and sb has 3! his AA pre before, albeit when shorter stacked.

If we were shorter I would just pile but spr is over 4 and we may need to be cautious as sb could have flatted some junky AA. As far as I know sb is just a recreational player.

Thanks,
DT

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09-19-2023 , 07:18 AM

wazz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 14,755

Call. Turn? Probably just keep on calling.

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09-19-2023 , 11:32 AM

pokerfan655

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,413

Just call and see a turn - raising is terrible and this is too strong to fold.

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09-19-2023 , 12:15 PM

ham on rye

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Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,532

agree with others that we want to flat and see a turn here.

btw, how did you raise in EP and get called six ways, but four of them folded between the SB and you?

any other player tendencies on SB would be helpful, but i think it's a pure call unless he tends to get really out of line. i guess some wheel wraps can also be in his range here but leading them would be unusual. one of those spots where a sane villain is repping a very narrow range here, but also tends to actually have it most of the time.

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09-19-2023 , 04:50 PM

Ace upmy Slv

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Question - If the plan is to call the flop and call most non-scare turn cards, is there any merit to making a small raise ($300-$350) on the flop as a sort of blocker against a rec to have a little more control and possibly get to a river cheaper? I am not suggesting it, just asking. We can then fold if he 3! the flop and if not, most recs would check the turn if they did not 3! the flop even with AA to try to trap. We can reevaluate from there looking for any 8-K on the turn.

Is that overthinking it and we should just be calling pretty much 100% of the time here?

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09-19-2023 , 05:35 PM

pokerfan655

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Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,413

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Originally Posted by Ace upmy Slv

Problem is if you raise here at all you fold out all worse hands I think - calling allows our range to be wider and also uncapped.

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09-19-2023 , 07:01 PM

monikrazy

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I think flop raise is still a reasonable option - unblocking the a gives villain a lot more hands he can stack off with.

Villain may also have broadway wrap, wheel wrap, or a combo like 2p with straight redraws.

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09-19-2023 , 10:22 PM

nootaboos

grinder

Join Date: May 2023 Posts: 565

Yeah I’m with Monk, we are going with the hand right? Like we are flatting flop to flat turn, a turn pot bet will be for like most of our stack anyway. Also I expect a rec to be trappy with AA on this board 5 ways a lot. There’s tons of hands he can go nuts with here imho.

If your planning on just folding to a turn pot bet on safe turns then flatting is fine but if your calling his turn pot bet anyway may as well just spin the pain wheel.

PLO5 sucks btw!

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09-20-2023 , 02:31 AM

Round of 6

journeyman

Join Date: Oct 2022 Posts: 374

Fold flop.

Player pots into 7 ppl on board where you (and others) have plenty of AA.

You have better hands to stack off with that arent necessarily AA.

Wanting to continue this hand stems from the normal heuristic that 2nd set = excellent hand

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