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This is probably a standard river call, but I am starved for strategy discussion: This is probably a standard river call, but I am starved for strategy discussion:

07-22-2008 , 09:08 AM
The hand:

PokerStars Game #19008848419: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/07/22 - 05:38:24 (ET)
Table 'Ilsewa III' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: ShacI< ($136.70 in chips)
Seat 2: kiriggio ($39.85 in chips)
Seat 3: Tiger0000000 ($50.50 in chips)
Seat 4: MeanGreen30 ($19.95 in chips)
Seat 5: What_up_Doc ($47.55 in chips)
Seat 6: Stupor_Mundi ($58.85 in chips)
Seat 7: Jacko0603 ($41.95 in chips)
Seat 8: dug_kam ($112.35 in chips)
Seat 9: blueocean08 ($33.10 in chips)
ShacI<: posts small blind $0.25
kiriggio: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Stupor_Mundi [Jc Th 5d Qd]
Tiger0000000: calls $0.50
MeanGreen30: calls $0.50
What_up_Doc: calls $0.50
Stupor_Mundi: calls $0.50
Jacko0603: calls $0.50
dug_kam: calls $0.50
blueocean08: calls $0.50
ShacI<: calls $0.25
kiriggio: checks
*** FLOP *** [9d Js 5s]
ShacI<: checks
kiriggio: checks
Tiger0000000: checks
MeanGreen30: checks
What_up_Doc: checks
Stupor_Mundi: checks
Jacko0603: checks
dug_kam: checks
blueocean08: bets $1
ShacI<: calls $1
kiriggio: folds
Tiger0000000: calls $1
MeanGreen30: folds
What_up_Doc: folds
Stupor_Mundi: calls $1
Jacko0603: calls $1
dug_kam: calls $1
*** TURN *** [9d Js 5s] [8d]
ShacI<: bets $6
Tiger0000000: calls $6
Stupor_Mundi: raises $28 to $34
Jacko0603: folds
dug_kam: folds
blueocean08: folds
ShacI<: calls $28
Tiger0000000: folds
*** RIVER *** [9d Js 5s 8d] [6s]
ShacI<: bets $26
Stupor_Mundi: calls $23.35 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($2.65) returned to ShacI<
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ShacI<: shows [3h As Qh Tc] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
Stupor_Mundi: shows [Jc Th 5d Qd] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
ShacI< collected $64.10 from pot
Stupor_Mundi collected $64.10 from pot

Notes (per street): Limp preflop is quite standard at these limits with full ring given the action, my hand is a decent suited-connector that I'm limping and calling small raises with.

I considered raising the late position donk open to a dollar with high/low two pair and an open-ender, but my hand and draws are both pretty weak at full-ring and I could only raise to about 9. This bet would likely get called insanely frequently by other draws in a family pot leaving me with a lot of tough turn decisions if other draws make it (wrap straight, flush, nines).

Turn pot bet is incredibly standard. I have the nuts and two redraws (a four-outer and a probably eight or so-outer to the queen), so I want to get money in the pot and freeroll another straight. I have to pot bet or risk getting calls from nut flush draws and such. Once I get flatted, my thinking is that I'm committed to any scare card as he likely is trying to give himself betting options on the river with the same hand.

I insta-called his shove, even though the river was the worst possible. My call is 4 or 5 to 1 in terms of pot odds and I felt committed to any river. My question is, given the play, is there any river you can fold to here, or is my thought process correct?
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07-22-2008 , 09:36 AM
As or Ks would be pretty bad imo.

fwiw i like the turn raise but its here you need to decide what you are doing before the river, if you feelyou aren't folding any card then by all means try and get it in...
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07-22-2008 , 10:34 AM
Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $136.70
BB: $39.85
UTG: $50.50
UTG+1: $19.95
UTG+2: $47.55
Hero (MP1): $58.85
MP2: $41.95
CO: $112.35
BTN: $33.10

Pre Flop: Hero is MP1 with J T 5 Q
UTG calls $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50, UTG+2 calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, MP2 calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, BTN calls $0.50, SB calls $0.25, BB checks

Flop: ($4.50) 9 J 5 (9 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO checks, BTN bets $1, SB calls $1, BB folds, UTG calls $1, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls $1, MP2 calls $1, CO calls $1

Turn: ($10.50) 8 (6 players)
SB bets $6, UTG calls $6, Hero raises to $34, MP2 folds, CO folds, BTN folds, SB calls $28, UTG folds

River: ($84.50) 6 (2 players)
SB bets $26, Hero calls $23.35 all in
This is probably a standard river call, but I am starved for strategy discussion: Quote
07-22-2008 , 10:39 AM
9/9 players seeing the flop, cant be very common.
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07-22-2008 , 02:02 PM
> Once I get flatted, my thinking is that I'm committed to any scare card as he likely is
>trying to give himself betting options on the river with the same hand.

Also, once that much of your stack has gone in you're sort of committed to calling even the worst rivers (spade that pairs the board) unless you absolutely know your opponent isn't sophisticated enough to recognise scare cards (and then you probably call because they're also randomly misreading their hand and stuff too).
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