Reposting from HSPLO QUICK CHECKUP THREAD. After 2 days I'm still a bit unsure whattodo here.

SB is a weak spot at the table and was the mark when it was 6handed.

BB winning TAG reg, hasn't done anything stupid but nothing special either. You could say he's nittish and semi bad post but not enough hands to make a statement like that.

He has opened every btn since we've been 3handed but he's been folding pretty much every sb when btn has folded so I guess he's playing only 'cause of the fish at the table.

This is his 3rd(?) 3bet against me in a spot where sb folded out of like 20-30 hands (didn't have a hud at the time). Nothing special on those hands.


€3/€6 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
3 Players
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Stacks:
Hero (BTN) (€2,294.20)
SB (€1,088)
BB (€1,112)

Pre-Flop: (€9, 3 players) Hero is BTN 8 5 J 3
Hero raises to €15, SB folds, BB raises to €48, Hero calls €33

Flop: 8 K 4 (€99, 2 players)
BB bets €60, Hero raises to €192, BB calls €132

Turn: 3 (€483, 2 players)

BB checks (872)
Hero?

e. My flop sizing is probably a bit too big here.

I'm not going to say anything about the flop raise.
As played you might be ahead as vilain's hand is likely towards K+FD or he could slowplay some monster.
BUT not that much ahead against any pair+FD and crushed by anything else that will call here.
I would like to SD my hand here and check behind and check river or fold to a river bet.

Ye it's very debatable. I just felt this opponent cbets here like 100% and folds too much when raised & plays bad on later streets. Against a weak players like this I want to build a big pot, they just make too many mistakes overall and it's tough to play oop pretty much any runout here. Wouldn't do it against a better player at this board texture and floating might be actually better against them(?)

That' what I did and turn play is probably not that interesting after all when we turn 2pairs. Pot-calling would be awful, we're crushed against his get-it-in range and I'd hate bet-folding something like 284 - 320 this much SD value here.

What about a blank like 2h? Are we bet folding? Im pretty sure I would bet pretty much every turn (well maybe not adiamond / A / 4) I miss here 'cause of the fact that he's folding too much & plays bad at river when we have a bit less than PSB left.

What rivers are we calling here after check backing turn IF he bets to us?

listen to yourself.... if this guy fold a ton on this after he cbets 100%, then it means his calling range after the raise should be stronger than usual, right?

Why do u mean with "play bad on later streets"? If you have some reads about his play it would be good to mention them, the "p´lay bad" part it could mean he overplays his hand, does not VB thin, bluff too much , bluff too little, etc

Openfold pre, fold to 3-bet (this is close though), fold flop.

Now check I guess.

Doesnt Kx+fd usually shove the flop?
id put villain on a Kx+gutshot AKQJ AA random bare fd range, and would bet-call the turn.?
Even KKK would propably shove the flop unless smt ridiculous like KKK+nutfd

With 2 fd openin any hand that beats ours wouldnt it shove under? like K8 might call the raise on flop but would(iwould at least) lead that turn with those stacks all day ?

Why so mad? Was it u lol.

Ye I was a bit inaccurate but it's due to the fact that english isn't my native language.

I mean he is cbetting his whole 3bet range which is clearly bad this deep and we'll make money purely exploiting that. Obviously when he calls he has something, it's not like he'll float us here with AQJ with Ad or stuff like that. But it doesn't change the fact that it'll be tough spot for him oop on various turns & rivers. We have lot of room to do stuff (still I like flop a bit less) and make him suffer.

Atleast I have a balanced check call range on that flop (not just checking to check fold). Not good gameplan always to do the same with x and y part of youre range, gotta mix it up against a reg you play often so youre not face up. In this particular spot imo he's not balanced at all when he's cbetting like always (check folding some) and we can exploit his tendencies.

not mad at all, and its not me =D

if we make money by exploiting his 100% cbet tendency its sure by exploiting it with floats and bluff x/r, but your hand plays so bad on most turn when called that I think we can have a light x/r semibluff range with stronger hands and make ton of money. yes we have plenty of room to do things been deep but its usually a good idea to have a atronger hand.

we have a 6 or 7 to bd str8 and the rest is only 2pair outs. I think u r geeting greedy with this guy and just want to win too many pots.

and I wouldnt fold preflop if i Have good reads about villain, but yeah its close pre

Kx + fd might when he's having 2 cards over 8 and probably with AA + fd too. That's pretty much it imo.

Not sure is he pushing with KKK {few combos of 44,88 in his 3betting range} though, atleast he shouldn't against me - clearly if I bluffraise these boards & barrel often. Best play would obv be bet call, c/r.

bet-call, lead pot on turn with stuff like K8/K4 would be lol_bad against aggressive players. It allows them to play pretty much perfectly against it and you'll lose value from their bluffs. Sure he'll check back a lot but that's something you'll have to get used to. Being on a big pot oop against regs is not fun.

Hehe you just happened to have the same number on youre nick that he has

My plan was to bet pretty much every turn except A/K/4 unimproved. Not sure about the diamonds though against thiss opp. My read says he fold too much on turn so I thin bet will show profit there. If my read sucks then I'm just spewing money here

You might be right about me being greedy against him. Just wanted to play back at him a lot when he clearly was at the table purely to stack the fish (like u see he has position on him and oop against me). That's why I didn't fold pre which is close one.

e. tired so tough to put my thoughts in words

welll with the read: he fold too much OTT, I think its a clear half/fold.

At least in my game I prefer having better hands to x/r this board lightly

I've talked few good players and they all agreed that this exact turn card is a check back when I told my reads of this dude. We turned enough showdown value here and when we think he wont bluff us out on river were trying to SD this hand.

Ps. we are in position. Wouldnt play this hand oop.

I dont think bc flop lead turn is that bad with K8 k4, i actually think its a very decent line in spots i dont think villain is raising enough as a bluff but a lot with draws, And i dont usually do it, but here with the clubs opening i prefer leading.
Depending of course on the turn card and how often you think villain is folding to your turn bet, i personally dont see too many folds coming after that card,(and I without dynamics expect the villain to think that you think that too)
so the villain calls the flop his hand range is somewhat clear to us? right?

it usually means that he has a piece of the flop(not good enough for a shove, but enough not to fold) also it usually means that he hopes to get some eq from bd? hands like AKQJ or AK+bd clubs etc.

The turn being a card which changes nothing but opens a lot of equity to a lot of hands. Now i if i put my thought in villains head i would think that a lot of bluffs would give up here since that board looks too potential for a craise and i expect the villain to go broke here with a lot of 1 pair hands, so i expect the villain rather leading the turn than giving you a chance to hit your bd eq(or fd on the flop which decides to take a free card).



I havent actually used this too much, but ive seen people do it to me lately a lot and im trying to get to the bottom of the thought process of why people do this..

Also you arent that deep and i think you are giving the villain a bit too tight range for shoving the flop.. You obviously know better with all the gameflow and villains habits but 3 player game with good aggressive regulars in a vacuum would be a bit lighter shoves imo

EDIT: i also think that 158 on the flop is enough.

Yep, I realized it right after I raised (clicked btns and trying to prove it here as a winning play lol). It'll make more room for turn&river play.

Not quoting other stuff you said, would be too long post. I agree with pretty much everything you say about the turn play when playing against good aggressive regs like you stated.

Also good regs will get it in wider here on flop so I don't think this is a good bluffraise spot against them. Might have said it already but I prefer float over bluffraise here against good regs. And if we think even longer back, I would openfold this or atleast definetily fold against the 3bet against good regs.

My ranges are just so much more unbalanced and wider here when playing tight&bad reg on position and building a pot 'cause he's making too much mistakes later.