Villain is bad reg. 35/19/3 cbet flop 50% Turn 40%.

There were some aggro players behind, so I was going for a back raise.

Should I just raise the flop here? Turn is standard?

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) ZOOM - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $112.31
SB: $65.85
BB: $102.03
UTG: $47.00
MP: $49.75
Hero (CO): $77.41

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has 8 A A 9

UTG raises to $1.50, MP calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, fold, SB calls $1.25, fold

Flop: ($6.50, 4 players) 3 T 2
SB checks, UTG checks, MP bets $5.00, Hero calls $5.00, fold, fold

Turn: ($16.50, 2 players) 7
MP bets $12.50, Hero raises to $45.00

Wp then. U did it.

I 3b pre @ CO.
I raise this dry flop all day long and be glad collecting the pot and not have to decide on further streets.
If i would decide to call the flop, i would flat the turn too cuz dont know what hand is giving us a call/shove that doesnt have us beat. Maybe AT9J-ish hands.

Think raising the flop is overplaying a lot. Just calling turn

Preflop: raise. I am sure your reason for not rasing is to disguise your AAxx...but wouldn't you 3bet with say, TTJJ DS or 9TJQ etc? So a 3bet here for value would not turn your hand face-up.

Flop: If you want to continue, its an auto-raise here. You had no help from the flop, but its unlikely that anyone else had either given the texture. A raise/fold would be better than a call, as you really don't want anyone else in the pot even if you are ahead at this stage. Imagine if you flat, and people overcall behind you...what do you do when you face a bet and a raise in the unlikely event of an ace hitting the turn?

Turn: As played, it is a call at the very best. Better hands aren't folding, and once called, you are looking at 10 outs at best.

Even aggro players are a bit more cautious in the blinds. If you have maniacs then trying the flat/jam is better.

Flop raise / fold to 3bet seems good. The board is really innocuous but MP leads fairly large multiway. Dunno about turn - jamming folds out a lot of one pair / bluffy hands that can easily outdraw on us OTR, and we don't really have the odds on a call. Depends on villain tendency. Calling is 'safe' but may not be profitable

Do people really r/f in these spots? Interested in opinions. I guess it could be good depending on the villain...

Eh, sometimes. Against overly aggressive players definitely - they will fold a lot of their junk stabbing hands. At lower stakes 3bets are rarely bluffs unless its a newish player overplaying their hand, or a very maniacal player. If they just flat you can barrel them off a lot of turns. Your line looks pretty strong and here you don't want a Txxx hand hitting junk 2p and not knowing how to process unless the board pairs or you hit a set.

I don't know. Seems like raising for information to me.

Especially given these stack depths, if I were to raise the flop here, it would not be to fold afterwards.

Very dry flop... and MP led into a field of 4 players....that alone would suggest that your hand is no good. Even if we disregard that as insufficent evidence that we are beat, we now have the bettor coming back and raising our raise. What more evidence do we need?

As for flattening...even if no one behind calls, it is impossible to know where we stand on the turn. Our hand is very unlikely to improve. We have two outs to top set, but that would also bring a straight, and even if we are ahead on the flop, we have no idea what turn cards would help him. This is the type of flop for hands like ours to get the pot over and done with, rather than play a guessing game later for our stack.

Given the action (you raised and got reraised), what exactly would you be beating, and how likely is it for your hand to improve?

We both know the answer to those questions.

I would flat flop.

But if whatever reason I decided to raise (if villain was tilting, if villain was the type of player to stack off with KK or TJQK or whatever), then I would not raise fold.

The fact that we're 4 ways to the flop even further discourages me from raising here.

3bet pre, as played fold flop No turns are good for us (except an A, maybe a 7), we have no idea what villain has but it's almost certainly 2pair+ and we have no idea what any of the players behind us are gonna do. If we flat flop & UTG or SB checkraises we have to fold.

As played, jamming the turn with the open ender + overpair is probably OK, but I think we're going to run into sets a lot...

With a 3bet pre, this would have been a lot easier to play cos you'd likely be heads up on the flop, or playing with a much lower SPR multiway, when jamming such a dry flop might be ok.

just fold flop, JT87 any rundown with a T in it is flipping equitywise and you have no idea what hits him and what doesn't

I just ran the numbers for jamming the turn. I think he probably only bets the flop with sets, 2 pair or wraps. That means by the turn he has a set about 50% of the time, top 2 pair 22%, a wrap 8% and other 2 pairs 20%. Assume when we jam the turn, he folds 75% of his wraps, none of his sets, half of his top2 pair and all of the other 2pairs. Then he folds about 37% of the time, netting us $29. When he calls, we have about 25% equity against his range so we lose about $8 whenever he calls. Adding all that up, shoving the turn should be about +$5.5 EV so smash it.

Note that this is one of the best turns in the deck for us, and we're still barely recovering the $5 investment we made on the flop, making the flop a clear fold.

He also bets the flop with air, 1pair, an overpair and gut shots. He has a set on the turn alot less than 50%. Run the numbers again.

He can easily have just a Txxx that has a gssd or fd. He can have KKxx with hearts... His range is a lot wider than what you are assuming.