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PLO50: Nut straight and blockers/outs for the full house. Time to slowplay? PLO50: Nut straight and blockers/outs for the full house. Time to slowplay?

03-30-2010 , 01:24 AM
I've only been at the table for 17 hands, havent played villain before. He's running at 18/6, I'm at 18/12.

I never slowplay in plo50 unless I got uber-nuts (like quads).
However I considered if this was the place to do it?

I raise from the button, and even though the flop brings both A and K, BB donks out into me. I put him on either QJTx, AKxx or a set, with 22 being the most likely set, since he didnt reraise preflop, and I have a blocker for the KK. Likewise I have blocker for him to have a straight draw.

I call flop, as I dont see any value in raising. He either got total air (compared to my hand), or he will reraise me with top two+. Of course a rais eon my part could represent a high set, but I dont think he would lay down a set of deuces anyway.

I turn the nuts with redraw/blockers for the house. When BB bets into me again, I figure I have to either charge him, if he has a set, Top two+fd or maybe I can freeroll, if he has the straight as well.

If the turn had been a spade, making no flush possible, would further slowplay be a good idea against an unknown?

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN): $53.90
SB: $57.35
BB: $88.15
UTG: $59.20
CO: $25.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with J Q T K
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, 1 fold, BB calls $1.25

Flop: ($3.75) K 2 A (2 players)
BB bets $2, Hero calls $2

Turn: ($7.75) T (2 players)
BB bets $4.50, Hero raises pot?
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03-30-2010 , 01:28 AM
u can only get value from worse hands on the turn, so raise! don't slowplay a spade either.
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03-30-2010 , 01:46 AM
Never slow play. You ideally want to get all in vs the same hand w/o a redraw. Even if he has a flush draw you are still a favorite!
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03-30-2010 , 02:51 AM
Another reason for not slowplaying is that your goal probably is to get his entire stack with this nut hand. If you don't raise the turn and it goes check/bet/call on the river you don't get optimal value.

Biggest problem you have is that your hand is rather open on the table. You played it like a draw, a draw hit on the turn. Now is the challenge how to bet to make villain think you are bluffing.

Most people I would put a full pot bet in, some I would do a small raise to get a re-raise.
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03-30-2010 , 01:36 PM
On a turn spade a slowplay could be doable imo. With a club, im reraising pot here. Against an unknown raising pot anyways may be the best way to get value from 222 hoping to fill up(assuming he reraises with kk aa, but who knows). With the turn club, too many rivers kills ur action/makes him the best hand(clubflush). Argument for slowplaying a 10 of spades would be to stack a underfull(222)or a river wheel card(he could have a 2345 kinda hand) but then again the J allways hits the river if u just call here.....
KISS is usually best against uknowns.....
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03-30-2010 , 01:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultrazord
Never slow play. You ideally want to get all in vs the same hand w/o a redraw. Even if he has a flush draw you are still a favorite!
Im assuming you mean a FD with the straight aswell(ur obv favorite over a bare FD)

u saying hes a favorite over a nutstraight and a FD redraw, if thats the case my math must be fundamentaly flawed.....
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03-30-2010 , 01:52 PM
w/o any redraw i usually give people the chance to bluff again in a spot luike this... is this bad?
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03-30-2010 , 08:51 PM
@skibbel...uhh....ya lol, especially at this level, just take everyone to value town. This probably is not the only time you are going to be turning a huge hand in your session. If you get action, great, if not DGAF!!! It sucks when you get no value but it's better than losing it by just calling the turn.
If you raise he could "think you are bluffing," and you could get more on the turn. Plus if he has a flush draw you don't wanna give him odds to draw to it. Pump it up to pot, and fire any non club river with confidence. Lack of info will make club river tough to get value out of.
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03-30-2010 , 09:00 PM
its seldom a good idea to slow play at PLO. some exceptions might be flopped overfull, quads or top set vs an aggro player that likes to represent the hand you have (holding AA in a deep 3 bet pot on a A72 rainbow flop.) Thats an excample were i would give him the option to hang himself if he wants to.
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03-30-2010 , 09:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreasX
Im assuming you mean a FD with the straight aswell(ur obv favorite over a bare FD)

u saying hes a favorite over a nutstraight and a FD redraw, if thats the case my math must be fundamentaly flawed.....
I think he meant bare fd and just worded it strange. Obviously we are behind if he has straight and flush redraw since fd has more outs to improve.
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