UTG is a fish, opening ~35% from ep, i figured this was an easy call in position

MP is a reg, 30/20 11%3bet over decent sample, quite low river agg% (24)
he has been 3betting the fish like every hand he opened ...

he plays abc postflop, folds alot, doesnt bluffraise

whats our river play?


[converted_hand][hand_history]Prima, $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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BTN HERO: $50 (100 bb) KJ4A
SB: $66.64 (133.3 bb)
BB: $52.83 (105.7 bb)
UTG: $50.41 (100.8 bb)
MP: $79.84 (159.7 bb)
CO: $79.54 (159.1 bb)

Preflop:
UTG raises to $1.75, MP raises to $6, CO folds, HERO calls $6, 2 folds, UTG calls $4.25

Flop: ($18.75) K 4 4 (3 players)
UTG checks, MP checks, HERO checks

Turn: ($18.75) J (3 players)
UTG checks, MP bets $9, HERO calls $9, UTG folds

River: ($36.75) 9 (2 players)
[color="red"]MP bets $36.75

pre is a fold. bet flop. river is a snap call

gii otr. Don't like pre, bet flop usually

what's wrong with flatting this hand?

Bet flop, you're way too shallow to be worried about kings. Get value from people with trips or worse. Leave SPR=1 and bet the rest on the turn. SPR is low so you may get action.

I thought you might be slowplaying flop but then you express some concern about calling when you induced some action so I'm not sure what you are doing...

Overcalling a 3bet pre is generally seen as a bad play, but given you're reads I don't mind it, but would probably prefer a cold 4bet for value and to create a not exclusively AAxx 4betting range.

As played call or shove the riv, I guess call if the ref is not bluffing or value betting worse.

yes bet the flop, its reasonable they have up to 6 outs vs your hand.

Anyway after we call the turn, I don't get what he is max potting with river.

dead cards: As4sKhJdKc4h4dJh9h
Hand Optimized Count Base Count
(KK**,JJ**,99**):15% 1393 (0.51%) 9714 (3.59%)

Without understanding villains game it is pretty hard to make a decision. I don't see you being ahead unless he is observably ******ed in his bluffs.

he plays abc postflop, folds alot, doesnt bluffraise

Easy fold factoring in this informaiton. Unless you can see him with a worse 4... which is less likely in both meta and default.

dead cards: As4sKhJdKc4h4dJh9h
Hand Optimized Count Base Count
(4***):15% 504 (0.19%) 5080 (1.88%)

I understand its difficult to fold here, and if the fold is correct only a very small amount of people are doing it so its no big deal to call wrongly provided you are rolled decently.

If your read is that the MP likes to reraise the UTG fish, than why don't we put a 4 bet in here to either isolate the fish, or more likely just take down the pot right there. Your hand looks pretty, but really doesn't play that well. I'd put in a 4 bet to try and take it down, fold to a shove by MP, but call off the fish (assuming he has played reckless before) if he shoved and MP folded.

As played, definitely a call and then a smack to your face for underplaying your hand so poorly and letting MP get there with JJ or 99 lol.

lol I surely deserve that

I dont mind pre, would prefer to be double suited though. We're last to act post flop so its okay and with utg in the hand who is obv going to complete pre most of the time, seems okay-ish. but i'm pretty spew when it comes to plo.

Bet flop, we're not the aggressor, its been checked through to us and we're on button so a stabby probe bet is fine imo, we'll get calls from all sorts 3 way.

As played raise turn i think, thats why we checked flop, yeah? to let someone catch up??? and play for stacks.

We're not checking flop to let someone catch up.... a "catch up" on this board is usually someone hitting a better full house.

So your saying hero checked flop for pot control???

I just wanna add timing is kind of indicative here. If it took a while for him to shove its more likely he is bluffing. If it was quick then he was KK 99 JJ. (edit: or Ahh)

I have only just noticed that a flush hit aswell LOL facepalm - before I was like easy fold now its meh shove

I would hope not. I think if Hero is checking flop it's for deception & to induce. Stacks are shallow enough to get them in by the river w/o betting flop.

Personally I don't like checking flop w/o reads though