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02-26-2010 , 09:05 AM
Villain is 18/6. Not sure how he views me. I'm still pretty new to PLO, so I might have done something fishy while at the table. I was playing a little laggy (32/20 or something).

Comments on my line and bet sizing?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($69.80)
Hero ($50)
UTG ($101)
CO ($53.60)
BTN ($56.90)

Dealt to Hero K T 2 A

fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1

FLOP ($3) 5 J 8

SB bets $2, Hero calls $2

TURN ($7) 5 J 8 6

SB bets $5, Hero raises to $12.50, SB calls $7.50

RIVER ($32) 5 J 8 6 Q

SB checks, Hero bets $24...
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02-26-2010 , 09:48 AM
do you play your NF the same? I would prob. raise flop bet turn and river. He seems to be super tight so it would be hard fo him to call down.
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02-26-2010 , 09:55 AM
i'd raise the turn a lil bigger but i like it
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02-26-2010 , 12:32 PM
Villain definitely 3bets on turn if he has nut flush. I think you have him and the hand was overall well played.
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02-26-2010 , 01:00 PM
is he able to fold a flush?if you dont know that i really hate it.we have no equity at all in the hand and play it just to bluff him so i dunno
if you ploay it this way raise the turn to 14 and then shove the river
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02-26-2010 , 03:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by StephenAdms
Villain definitely 3bets on turn if he has nut flush. I think you have him and the hand was overall well played.
?... nuff said
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02-26-2010 , 03:11 PM
I don't think you need to worry about keeping your line exactly as you would play the nut flush at these stakes. I think betting enough to where you leave a PSB behind on the river and shove AI maximizes your FE and is better then betting slightly less then pot on all streets. (ex. If you bet 13.50 on the turn then I believe you'll have exactly a PSB behind on the river)
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02-26-2010 , 03:12 PM
The bare A bluff never seems to work at PLO50. Let me guess you were looked up by about a 9 or 10 high flush?
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02-26-2010 , 05:16 PM
I like it, bet more like 29 or 30 on the river though, ur somewhat pricing him in to look u up with a lower flush by only bettin 24
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02-27-2010 , 01:24 PM
Villain let his time run down and called with Q 9 Q 7 . (I wonder if he makes this call with only two hearts in his hand.)

I'm thinking about giving up on the dry ace bluff at these stakes.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($57.25)
BB ($50)
Hero ($82.75)
CO ($14)
BTN ($13.85)

Dealt to Hero A 4 A 9

Hero raises to $1.75, fold, fold, SB calls $1.50, fold

FLOP ($4) 6 K Q

SB bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

TURN ($7) 6 K Q 5

SB bets $1.50, Hero raises to $7, SB calls $5.50

RIVER ($21) 6 K Q 5 4

SB checks, Hero bets $15, SB snap calls $15 with a nine high flush

Hero shows A 4 A 9
(Pre 67%, Flop 43.3%, Turn 0.0%)

SB shows 9 7 9 K
(Pre 33%, Flop 56.7%, Turn 100.0%)

SB wins $49
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02-28-2010 , 03:10 PM
You've got to commit your whole stack to the dry ace bluff to optimize your FE. How did you only get half your stack in on the second hand? Pot turn pot river. This is the same thing that was said on the first hand. You should give up the dry ace bluff if you play it like this. You should also use it sparingly and only vs tight plyrs post-flop.
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02-28-2010 , 03:33 PM
I think you're never folding any decent flush at these stakes and without any specific reads I don't really like this play that much.

Fwiw, I don't like calling with that hand PF. 3Bet or fold.
Playing a hand like that OOP is neutral EV at best, imo.
You're way ahead of his button range. 3Bet to take the initiative, CBet 80% of flops, giving up only on the truly horrible ones.
You can 2x barrel, give up on the turn, C/R the turn etc...
If you just call, you're at the mercy of a good player who's going to completely run you over.
You're only going to be able to play the hand fast if you hit a wrap and there's no FD on the flop.
You'll either jam the flop when you hit huge and turn you hand face up, so that when you both ship you'll be flipping at best, or you're going to get 2x barrelled and have to play guessing games on the river because you have no idea where you are.
Against a really good player OTB I don't mind folding PF, to be honest.
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03-01-2010 , 10:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CHRONICFEVER
I like it, bet more like 29 or 30 on the river though, ur somewhat pricing him in to look u up with a lower flush by only bettin 24
If 30 does the job, 24 will also. We might as well save $6 if called
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03-01-2010 , 11:23 AM
You've got to make it really obvious you're representing the nuts at the lower stakes. I don't like it in this spot though, blind vs blind people always call down lighter.
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03-01-2010 , 11:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SamG
Villain let his time run down and called with Q 9 Q 7 . (I wonder if he makes this call with only two hearts in his hand.)
I don't understand this post. What difference does it make to villain if he has what he has versus like Q9Q7? Either way he has the third nuts and there are plenty of other hearts out there for you to have a flush too...
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03-01-2010 , 11:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by UnderRolled
i'd raise the turn a lil bigger but i like it
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03-01-2010 , 01:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by StephenAdms
Villain definitely 3bets on turn if he has nut flush. I think you have him and the hand was overall well played.
We have blocker to nut flush, which is why we are running this bluff.

Once villain calls the turn I think giving up is better. I like making it more on the turn as we will fold out a lot more 2 pair/ set hands that raising so small are being priced in to fill up on river.

Last edited by LukeRad89; 03-01-2010 at 02:05 PM.
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03-01-2010 , 01:56 PM
I'm pretty sure i make a lot more money picking off bare ace bluffs at PLO50 than making them.
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