Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 4 players
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SB: $5.95
Hero (BB): $8.91
CO: $7.01
BTN: $7.29

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with 7 6 4 8
1 fold, BTN calls $0.05, SB calls $0.03, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.15) T 9 6 (3 players)
SB bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, SB calls $0.20

Turn: ($1.05) 5 (3 players)
SB bets $0.20, Hero raises to $1.35, BTN folds, SB calls $1.15

River: ($3.75) Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks


OK I'm fairly new to PLO I've played a fair bit but I've done almost no real reading about it and I feel I'm beginning to turn into a bit of a nut peddler although I like to step out of line once in a while to test situations but i think getting advice on this situation that i come across relatively often will be helpful.

So if you have read my hand then you know that I flopped the nuts, held the nuts on the turn with the T-high STR8. The river brings an offsuit queen so now obviously I've downgraded to the 3rd nuts. I'm in position and my opponent checks to me. Should I attempt a value bet most of the time/ some of the time or is just checking it and showing the hand down really the best option?

Also if any of you spot any errors in my play in earlier streets then please say so. I'd really like to open my game up a bit more and I reckon forums will help.

Bearing in mind that we've each put $1.70 into this one and the pot is $3.75 and he would have had $4.25 left. So the stacks are still fairly deep at 85BB I could have been risking more than the pot size to find out i got rivered if got greedy.

I dont raise turn as I have no redraws.

I check it down on river -- unless villian is a complete idiot, but I suck at getting value on the river.

i suppose you could valuebet the river, sb sure looks fishy and if you dont bet much (about 1- 1.50$) theres a good chance he calls you with a set or even 2 pair here. Judging from how villian played the hand i´d say he would likely bet the river if he hit. And the Q sure isnt a great card, but not the worst either.
If you seen him checkraise the river before i think check behind is fine too.

Cool. Yeah the queen isn't that bad a card for me since I would have put him on a flush/fullhouse draw it's just that I really have picked some pretty stupid spots to make value bet/raises in the past.

I prob would have got payed $1 by 2 pair given previous play by the guy. cheers for the feedback.

Really? I thought with only one card to come my opponent is trailing by a long way most of the time so a raise would be a good idea. Although I do understand a fair amount of the time a somewhat worrying card can come off on the river but I am in position and can fold to a big bet. I doubt my opponent will outright bluff using a scare card on the river there.

I see your point but I thought that this kind of situation allows for a raise to either end the hand on the turn or get the max out of a ten high straight while it's still robust.

The question is whether you are up against the same hand with a redraw freerolling you. For example if he hit hearts with his straight. Would you lay down to a reraise?

May be a bit nitty I suppose. Interested in other viewpoints as well.

Ah yes I'm aware of the freerolling concept. I have found that in hands where my opponent plays passively I think that a freerolling situation is really rare. I think if he had the nut straight and turned a flush draw he would have bet considerably more on the turn (which therefore probably wouldn't have caused me to raise).

Now, suppose after I raised to $1.35 my opponent repopped it to $3.25 - all in (pot-ish).

Tough question, like I said before his weak bet doesn't suggest that I'm being freerolled but I can't say that his 20c bet and then a reraise all in are mutually exclusive. A decent PLO player may make this play against me to induce a raise to then trap me for at least a chop and an 18% chance of a scoop.

If he were to raise all in to a total of $4.20 so the pot would be $6.60 and I'm calling $2.85. To make the call I'm required to have 30% equity. I chop 82% of the time and lose the 18% so my equity is simply 41%. So I suppose it's a call assuming his only freerolling to the flush.

If we work the other way. Since I need 30% equity and assuming I'm being freerolled, ie I'm chopping if my opponent misses and losing if he hits, this means I need to chop 60% of the time. So to make it a bad call my opponent needs a 40%+ freeroll to win outright which roughly translates to 17+ outs I think (52 - 4(my hole cards) - 4(board) - 2(assumed his 78 in the hole) = 42 and 42 x 0.4 ~ 17). So worst case scenario is QhJh 78

Which gives him 9 flush outs 3 Jacks 3 Queens and 3 non heart Kings totalling 18 outs. So I really need to be up against a nut straight a flush draw and a wrap straight redraw to make it a marginally losing call but If we base the call against the whole range of freerolling hands I would have to showdown I think. Of course my raise on the turn puts me in this marginal spot which I could otherwise avoid but perhaps I extract enough value from some sort of fullhouse draw or a basic flush draw it is profitable.

Interesting hand, thanks for making me actually do my homework for it cos it wouldn't have happened otherwise. If there is some error in my maths then let me know, I was a maths student so I think it's ok but I'm only human lol.

OOOPS if he has QJ78 the additional one non heart 8 is also an out so that makes it 19. Still this is the worst possible outcome and he won't always have 19 outs to win.